Poll: organ donation.

[scoHish]

Absolutely. If my organs can do some good instead of rotting, getting eaten by worms, or being stolen by grave robbers then I'd just be selfish not to be an organ donor.

 

[Scully]

everything, may as well recycle

 

[TotallyFake]

I am proud to say that I am not an organ donor. Partly because I believe that if somebody with bad genetic stuff lives to procreate, he will pass his bad genes to his offspring which is why so many people in the modern world have crazy fucked up diabetes and cerebral palsy and shit. Modern medicine stops diseases from killing off the unlucky ones so that they can make more babies who will grow up to live with paralysis or a wasting disease through their whole life.

EDIT: yeah, the skin and eyes I think I would donate because it would improve someones life and usually those are damaged by physical trauma rather than diseases.

Your attitude sickens me. This is a horrific distortion of "survival of the fittest"/ You're essentially advocating eugenics. Are you below average height? Below average IQ? Castrate yourself if you are, or does cleaning the gene pool not extend to that? How about withdrawing treatment for people with cystic fibrosis?

Same for you bluepilot

Maybe I am selfish, but I believe that once your organs have packed in, it is time to leave the mortal world. I think that modern medicine prolongs life longer than what is natural, plus donated organs only slightly prolong the inevitable. With some organ transplants, life long treatment is still necessary so organ transplantation does not necessary increase the quality of life. Even many sucessulful organ transplants can sentance someone to a lifetime of going in and out of hospitals, multiple surgeries e.t.c. until their bodies cannot take the stress anymore.

Are you making an appeal to nature? That's absurd, especially on the internet, a triumph of unnatural processes. Do you use plastics? Cars? Electricity? Antibiotics? Nothing about society is even remotely natural any more.

Then there is the issue of chronic blood diseases such as hepatitus. Should we keep renewing someone`s liver just to keep them alive? In the process of organ donation is the choice of who gets to live a few more years and who gets to die. Can modern medicine really be trusted with these descisions? We cannot solve every medical problem just by simply inserting a new organ.

So, you're saying that because something doesn't work in ALL cases, it shouldn't be used in cases where it DOES work. Again, that's absurd. Organs are only inserted when they'll work ("Hmm, broken arm, have a new liver")And yes, transplants require a great deal of aftercare. Not having the transplant just requires a pine box and a hole in the ground. Again, something not being perfect is not a call for rejecting it entirely.

I would donate my skin and eyes though, because I think that restoring someone`s sight or someone`s face would definatly bring an improvement in their quality of life.

So letting them walk again doesn't? Getting them off hours of dialysis a week doesn't? Saving their LIFE doesn't?

 

[TotallyFake]

i reserve them for my family, i feel no need to give it to someone i don't care about.

but that's just me, i'm sorry for being irrationally selfish.

So unless someone happens to be related to you they get to die? You won't be using your organs any more, do you have any reason not to donate them after you die?

 

[rokkolpo]

i reserve them for my family, i feel no need to give it to someone i don't care about.

but that's just me, i'm sorry for being irrationally selfish.

So unless someone happens to be related to you they get to die? You won't be using your organs any more, do you have any reason not to donate them after you die?

it's just how i feel,and i know it's irrationally selfish. i can't help it.
i guess i don't care enough about people i don't know, nor do i care about death.

 

[Semitendon]

No, I am not.
The first reason is that I have a genetic kidney disease which causes hypertension. I've pretty much lived with it my entirely life and I'm sure my organs have taken a beating from it and would be fairly useless. Also, I will point out that while I do sound like a complete dick below, I have tried to donate blood and was denied.
But if my organs were fine, I would not be one. Being a med student and having talked to various doctors and having the subject come up. There are various doctors who will check whether or not a person is an organ donor and will be less likely to undergo a risky or a low chance surgery/ set of actions to help a person if they are an organ donor. Instead they will go for transplanting the organs. Maybe I sound like a greedy twat, but if I ever come into a hospital in a terrible condition I want doctors to do absolutely every thing they can to save my ass and not give up on me because I'm an organ donor.
Yes I know it is something that saves lives, and that in real life I will need an organ transplant for my kidneys but the idea that someone wouldn't try to save my life but instead opt for someone else is just horrifying to me.
And before someone jumps down my throat, yes I know not every doctor thinks like this, I've met enough that do think like this that I wouldn't want to take my chances.

A genetic disease in the kidneys could cause problems for donation of the KIDNEYS. But that is all. Hypertension is a common ailment, and does not affect donation in any way.

Sorry, you are wrong, my kidney disease also can cause damage in the liver, pancreas, and in some cases (though somewhat rare, but from my impression not rare enough that I get a yearly battery of tests) the heart and brain. That combined with hypertension which causes damage to your heart/eyes in general and various blood vessels you are looking at a handful of organs that are highly questionable.

Since you did not mention why you were turned down for blood donation, I can only speculate, but the common reasons are high risk activity, such as recent piercings, tattoos, or a sexual lifestyle that would indicate an increased risk for viral infection.

I was denied because of the medications I was on, they said that if I used a certain set of medications and my hypertension was under control when they took my BP it would be fine.

You say you are a "med student", which I find that claim to be highly suspect, as you would have known the specifics of hypertension and kidneys in relation to transplantation, as well as the fact that hypertension does not deliver a "beating" to many of the organs that can be transplanted.

1) I pretty offended by this, primarily since going into medicine isn't easy, I've had to bust my ass for a great deal of years, take out large loans to pay for school, and have to bust my ass for a lot more years to get through med school and being an intern before I see a dime of profit. And secondly because you go about it in such an arrogant and condescending manner to not only point out something you disagree about but instead attack the poster's credibility.
2) Maybe you are under the wrong impression from watching too many medical dramas but the title of med student is a hard thing to nail down, in just a few years so much info has to be crammed down. You make the assumption that a med student should know everything. Guess what, I am a first year med student, and we are currently working on the thorax. We started in osteo, moved to CNS, head and neck and now thorax. Maybe in your world med students are like in Scrubs where they are handling patients in the first month of their first year and diagnosing diseases on real people, but that isn't how the real world works.

Now, I don't know about other countries, but in the US it is highly unlikely for any doctor to deny treatment, or give substandard treatment, on the basis that you are a organ donor.In the US, the UNOS system assignes donation priority, not the doctors themselves. Doctors are nothing more than the deciding factor in whether an available organ is right for their patient, and the surgeons who actually remove/transplant the organ. They have no say in who gets which organ, other than the ability to refuse an organ. There is no logical or financial benefit for a doctor to willfully allow an organ donor to die.

Furthermore, on a statistical basis, the organs from an organ donor usually only extend a recipients life by a short amount, and that's assuming there are no complications. The idea of allowing one relatively healthy person to die, so that a handful of ill people can theoretically live a few more years on average, makes absolutely no sense.

Might want to go back and read what I posted. The English language is one of fine details, that you either ignored or missed. I specifically said in the case of a risky or a low chance surgery/ set of actions or if I came into a hospital in a terrible condition (meaning if I sustained some sort of life threatening injury or was screwed up in some terrible way).
I do not see any point in my first post about doctor's deciding who gets what organ, or about assigning the priority of who gets what.
My post addressed a completely theoretical case in which I was in such a condition that I had a pretty good chance of dying, the surgeon would try but might not go that extra mile to try and save me because it is clear that I am an organ donor and the beneficial thing to do would be to prep and get those organs and the recipient ready.
I'm not talking about some one coming in with a broken arm and the doctor taking them in the back and choking them to death because they are an organ donor. In no way did I say a doctor is going to kill a completely healthy person for a few sick people.
I'm talking about a very rare situation and theoretical situation which I, if I was an organ donor, would feel uncomfortable about. And actually have been somewhat paranoid about since years ago when I got stabbed in the back and went into the emergency room, one of their first questions was "Are you an organ donor?" and my thought was wtf does this have to do with anything, I'm bleeding out, I need to be stitched up.

In the future, please do not spread misinformation and urban legends about donation, as it may affect the decision to donate by others, and thus rob the potential recipient of a chance at a longer life.

Incidently, I work in organ and tissue transplant, hence the name Semitendon, after Semitendinosus, a tendon which can be used for transplant.

In the future, please don't be condescending and a complete jerk about a post you disagree with, you clearly have an agenda and are fairly biased and aggressive in a forum where it is asking people why or why they aren't organs donors. If I was a person standing out side a hospital screaming at people not to be organ donors then yes I would agree you have every right to browbeat them. Also you claim to work for "organ and tissue transplant" yet you seem to think that there is no genetic kidney disease who affects other organs and you seem to be oblivious of the stress hypertension puts on the eyes/heart and why a person with hypertension might be denied for donating blood. Might want to rethink that work or you might want to go back to school to learn a bit more since, as you put it, misinformation can rob a potential recipient of a chance at a longer life, or in this case giving a person a bad organ can harm them.

* sighs* You weren't talking hypothetically. You said that you had spoken to various doctors who had TOLD you that they wouldn't make an all out effort to save someone if they were an organ donor. Furthermore, in saying that you were a med student, you add credibility to your claim. All of this information was given in attempt to scare people away from donation. If someone doesn't want to donate, that's fine, but they should know the FACTS before making a decision.

As for your disease process, you basically said genetic kidney disease + hypertension = no donation. Which is blatantly not true. There are situations where that may be the case, but in general, that is a wrong assumption to make. I do not know the specifics of your condition, and I can't rule out all possibility, but I can recognize a scare tactic, and that is clearly the point of your original post. If I sounded arrogant, I wasn't trying to be, but if I sounded pissed because someone was trying to spread misinformation that could potentially cost lives, yeah, you nailed it on the head.

 

[Jovlo]

Here in Belgium, your are an organ donor automatically.
If you don't want your organs being used to save another live after your death, you will have to specially request it.

 

[LWS666]

i am, i'm donating every bit i can when i die.

why not? it costs nothing and i don't think dead me will mind. although it does ruin my dream of becoming a zombie, then again infected zombies are where it's at.

although i'm not quite sure why they want my eyes, i've never heard of an eye transplant.

 

[TotallyFake]

i reserve them for my family, i feel no need to give it to someone i don't care about.

but that's just me, i'm sorry for being irrationally selfish.

So unless someone happens to be related to you they get to die? You won't be using your organs any more, do you have any reason not to donate them after you die?

it's just how i feel,and i know it's irrationally selfish. i can't help it.
i guess i don't care enough about people i don't know, nor do i care about death.

"It's just how I feel" is a massive cop-out. And it's mind blowingly selfish."Hmm, shall I take this course of action which, at no detriment to myself, could potentially save multiple lives. Nah"

It does seem as if it's just a gut response of "Organs? Ick!" But at least you're honest about it, and not hiding it in levels of bollocks about "it's against nature".

 

[razbuten363]

Nope, no "anatomical gifts" from me. When I die, I want to take as many people with me as possible.

 

[Cowabungaa]

I think I will be, when I finally take up the time to fill in that form. I'm pretty healthy, and when I die I won't be needing my organs anymore anyway.

Plus I doubt we have such horror stories of doctors not performing high risk operations on you to save your live just so they can harvest your organs here in Holland.

 

[ma55ter_fett]

Why?

Because... (this may sound stupid) I don't know who would get them (people who need them duh dumbass)(stfu inner voice)

Are my organs going to go to some old rich guy/gal who has lived a full life and has decided to spend his wealth on extending it? Did he/she pay his/her way to the top of the list? (don't say it doesn't happen you know it does)

Or are they going to go to a child who was born with a weak heart/kidneys/failing liver? (In case you are wondering I would gladly allow them [child] the use of my organs upon my death.)

Did the person trash there last liver/lungs/kidneys via smoking/drinking/drunken car accident etc?

Who profits off of my generosity? Someone does (not just the patient) someone would make enough money off of my and other peoples heart, liver, and kidneys to buy a new car or put a down payment on a vacation home.

I'll take what I got to the grave.

 

[kalakashi]

I became one just a couple of weeks ago, and Ive told my friends, and really frequently, the very first thing they say is "even your eyes?" What is the problem with the eyes? I'm donating everything, and I think I'll start with blood soon as well.

 

[TotallyFake]

Nope, no "anatomical gifts" from me. When I die, I want to take as many people with me as possible.

That's selfish and spiteful. Not to mention borderline immoral.

Why?

Because... (this may sound stupid) I don't know who would get them (people who need them duh dumbass)(stfu inner voice)

Do you not see the hilarious contradiction here? Let's break it down.
If you DO donate - Organs MIGHT go to desperately ill child. (And I can say people don't pay their way to the top of the list. Why? Because dozens of people would need to be bribed for that to work. Unless you want to give me some evidence of this occurring on a large scale.)
If you DON'T donate - Organs definitely DON'T go to a desperately ill child.

And what's your point about someone profiting from your generosity? Are you saying that the surgeon doesn't deserve to get paid because it's not his liver?

 

[razbuten363]

Nope, no "anatomical gifts" from me. When I die, I want to take as many people with me as possible.

That's selfish and spiteful. Not to mention borderline immoral.

I just don't see the point of other people living after I die, I will benefit nothing from it.

 

[TotallyFake]

Nope, no "anatomical gifts" from me. When I die, I want to take as many people with me as possible.

That's selfish and spiteful. Not to mention borderline immoral.

I just don't see the point of other people living after I die, I will benefit nothing from it.

That's the exact description of sociopathy. Are you really that horrendously selfish? Do you really see nothing wrong with your train of thought of "I will take this action, so that people will die"

Seek professional help. Quickly. Before you progress past torturing animals.

 

[razbuten363]

Nope, no "anatomical gifts" from me. When I die, I want to take as many people with me as possible.

That's selfish and spiteful. Not to mention borderline immoral.

I just don't see the point of other people living after I die, I will benefit nothing from it.

That's the exact description of sociopathy. Are you really that horrendously selfish? Do you really see nothing wrong with your train of thought of "I will take this action, so that people will die"

Seek professional help. Quickly. Before you progress past torturing animals.

No, I don't see a problem with that, hell, after I die I won't see anything. The deaths of everyone else on Earth will be meaningless to me. So what do I care if they live or die.

 

[TotallyFake]

Nope, no "anatomical gifts" from me. When I die, I want to take as many people with me as possible.

That's selfish and spiteful. Not to mention borderline immoral.

I just don't see the point of other people living after I die, I will benefit nothing from it.

That's the exact description of sociopathy. Are you really that horrendously selfish? Do you really see nothing wrong with your train of thought of "I will take this action, so that people will die"

Seek professional help. Quickly. Before you progress past torturing animals.

No, I don't see a problem with that, hell, after I die I won't see anything. The deaths of everyone else on Earth will be meaningless to me. So what do I care if they live or die.[/quote

Seriously? You have no morals driven by anything outside your own experience? Unless you personally interact with someone their life is meaningless? Again: You. Are. A. Sociopath.

 

[razbuten363]

Nope, no "anatomical gifts" from me. When I die, I want to take as many people with me as possible.

That's selfish and spiteful. Not to mention borderline immoral.

I just don't see the point of other people living after I die, I will benefit nothing from it.

That's the exact description of sociopathy. Are you really that horrendously selfish? Do you really see nothing wrong with your train of thought of "I will take this action, so that people will die"

Seek professional help. Quickly. Before you progress past torturing animals.

No, I don't see a problem with that, hell, after I die I won't see anything. The deaths of everyone else on Earth will be meaningless to me. So what do I care if they live or die.[/quote

Seriously? You have no morals driven by anything outside your own experience? Unless you personally interact with someone their life is meaningless? Again: You. Are. A. Sociopath.

Perhaps morality is just a construct of society, and I am free of its oppressive shackles. Why are you still in the bondage more commonly known as morality? Seriously, what do you benefit from someone's life after you die?

 

[TotallyFake]

-snip-
Perhaps morality is just a construct of society, and I am free of its oppressive shackles. Why are you still in the bondage more commonly known as morality? Seriously, what do you benefit from someone's life after you die?

Yup, sociopath.

I don't benefit from someone living after I die. Indeed, that's the whole point. Whilst alive I get pleasure from the fact that my death can lead to someone else living longer. I believe it is morally right. Nearly the entire planet believes it to be morally right. I find it abhorrent that you can seriously announce that you DESIRE people to die.