Poll: Out of the big 3 (Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony), who is the most anit-consumer?

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Currently, Sony's complete refusal to entertain the idea of cross-play is putting them in the lead for me.

I agree that not having cross-play is not good, but it's not horrible. If a game's online can't sustain a player-base big enough on any 1 platform to find games at any hour of the day, then it's a 99% chance it sucks. I can find games at any hour on MGO2's fan-run servers on PS3 right now (which to play on you have to download a torrent of a PS3 backup and wipe your PS3 restoring it with said backup to play). Until cross-play can actually let you party up with friends from other platforms to play together, then it's not much of a deal to me. And, Sony is just against cross-play with Xbox. Again, no doubt Sony should allow it though.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

BTW you forgot to mention that Sony also promotes plagiarism on its official Youtube page.

If I was nickel and diming everyone, the lists probably would never end. For example, I didn't include the following on Nintendo's list (video embedded below) because I'm sure every publisher does some similar stuff (and I'm not about to find out who does it the worst) and you should know that game reviews are FUBAR, and you should be able to tell on your own if a game is good or not.

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

i am baffled as to why anybody still let's Microsoft into their homes

for all the others' faults, they pale in comparison to Microsoft. Am glad I jumped ship when I could

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Nintendo
-Not nice to 3rd parties. Nintendo is notoriously not nice to 3rd party publishers

While that is a piss poor business decision, it is not inherently anti-consumer.

"Gamers like games and missing out on games is a big fucking deal. When Nintendo is charging the same price point for their hardware than everyone else, I should be getting the same amount of quality software as the other systems but I'm not and it's not even close."

As I said, It's a piss poor business decision, but it's not inherently anti-consumer. The price point and quality of the software is a different issue than their attitude towards 3rd parties.

 

[Ugicywapih]

I'm kind of surprised rampant invasion of privacy that's built into Windows 10 and got backported into 7 and 8 didn't get a mention on Microsoft's side. Granted, OP seems to be written mostly from a console gamer's perspective (which explains the lack of EA and WB), but still, sneaking a fkin keylogger into your products, in two cases years after they were released is a whole new level of bullshit far as I'm concerned.

 

[09philj]

i am baffled as to why anybody still let's Microsoft into their homes

Linux doesn't have fully comprehensive support yet and Apple are like Microsoft but even worse.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Nintendo, just for all of that content ID claim bullshit they keep pulling on fan vids & projects, failing to realize that those work to their advantage. It's as if they refuse to profit if somebody else also profits along with them. And I don't know if this falls under "anti-consumer" but the way they keep churning out overpriced plastic (and cardboard, as of late) is borderline exploitative.

 

[Yoshi178]

BTW you forgot to mention that Sony also promotes plagiarism on its official Youtube page.

If I was nickel and diming everyone, the lists probably would never end. For example, I didn't include the following on Nintendo's list (video embedded below) because I'm sure every publisher does some similar stuff (and I'm not about to find out who does it the worst) and you should know that game reviews are FUBAR, and you should be able to tell on your own if a game is good or not.

I fail to understand how Nintendo Protecting it's own property is worse than Sony literally plagiarizing someone else's work, monetizing the video, AND then also claiming copyright on other youtubers who are only using literally the exact same stuff that Sony has already plagiarized themselves?

please explain.


btw you did actually already mention how you didn't like how Nintendo does all its copyright claims on youtubers in your OP.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

I fail to understand how Nintendo Protecting it's own property is worse than Sony literally plagiarizing someone else's work, monetizing the video, AND then also claiming copyright on other youtubers who are only using literally the exact same stuff that Sony has already plagiarized themselves?

please explain.


btw you did actually already mention how you didn't like how Nintendo does all its copyright claims on youtubers in your OP.

Sony didn't make the trailer and thus assumed nothing was plagiarized. Of course, Sony didn't do due diligence and all, but in reality this is only affecting a single consumer. The whole Black Tiger thing is nickel and diming basically and Jim Sterling has probably advertised the damn game more than Sony at this point. Whereas Nintendo will copyright claim recorded gameplay footage that Youtubers use for reviews and let's plays affecting LOTS of consumers (both creators and viewers). Sony doesn't do that. Lastly, I posted the video more so showing how Nintendo controls reviews for their games, not for the copyright stuff I mentioned in the opening post.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

I had both of my PlayStation accounts stolen. Screw PlayStation.

Really? How? Maybe I've just been lucky but I haven't really heard of PSN accounts getting stolen unless you're game sharing with people that end up being untrustworthy. Or, of course, the normal ways like being phished or just having piss poor passwords.

My passwords were fine. What kind of a question is that, "how?" How the hell should I know? I didn't use the accounts for a few years, and now when I try to sign it, it says they don't exist, because they changed the emails. I've never had this happen on any other service. And, because I made one of the accounts when I lived in Germany and, unlike Steam, it doesn't automatically switch regions when you use a local payment instrument, I have to make a long distance call to the German support hotline to get it retrieved. When I called the US support, they told me they couldn't help me. At least Xbox Live lets you change regions. It makes no sense to lock people to regions in a globalized world. Screw PlayStation.

I'm just saying that the fault might be on your end especially since you don't know. Your email could've gotten hacked leading to your PSN account being stolen. I haven't heard of PSN accounts getting stolen just because Sony got hacked.

As I said, It's a piss poor business decision, but it's not inherently anti-consumer. The price point and quality of the software is a different issue than their attitude towards 3rd parties.

When A causes B, then it's A's fault basically. Nintendo's attitude towards 3rd parties caused their systems not getting 3rd party support.

I'm kind of surprised rampant invasion of privacy that's built into Windows 10 and got backported into 7 and 8 didn't get a mention on Microsoft's side. Granted, OP seems to be written mostly from a console gamer's perspective (which explains the lack of EA and WB), but still, sneaking a fkin keylogger into your products, in two cases years after they were released is a whole new level of bullshit far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, I was focusing on console gaming mostly but also I didn't really think of how Windows affects PC gaming much as I think of Steam first in that regard. I'm guessing you can disable that shit in Windows but of course, most won't even know about it or look up how to disable it. I have Windows 7 service pack 1 installed with no updates past that point because I don't do updates unless there's something that doesn't work and an update will fix it.

 

[sXeth]

I'm kind of surprised rampant invasion of privacy that's built into Windows 10 and got backported into 7 and 8 didn't get a mention on Microsoft's side. Granted, OP seems to be written mostly from a console gamer's perspective (which explains the lack of EA and WB), but still, sneaking a fkin keylogger into your products, in two cases years after they were released is a whole new level of bullshit far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, I was focusing on console gaming mostly but also I didn't really think of how Windows affects PC gaming much as I think of Steam first in that regard. I'm guessing you can disable that shit in Windows but of course, most won't even know about it or look up how to disable it. I have Windows 7 service pack 1 installed with no updates past that point because I don't do updates unless there's something that doesn't work and an update will fix it.

Putting aside the non-gaming-specific OS shenanigans, the whole Games for Windows Live debacle where they broke dozens of games (their own and other publishers) by turning off their authentication server would probably be a big negative.

 

[Yoshi178]

Sony didn't make the trailer and thus assumed nothing was plagiarized.

Sony should know that you should never assume anything.

it just makes an Ass out of U and Me.

 

[Yoshi178]

My passwords were fine. What kind of a question is that, "how?" How the hell should I know? I didn't use the accounts for a few years, and now when I try to sign it, it says they don't exist, because they changed the emails. I've never had this happen on any other service. And, because I made one of the accounts when I lived in Germany and, unlike Steam, it doesn't automatically switch regions when you use a local payment instrument, I have to make a long distance call to the German support hotline to get it retrieved. When I called the US support, they told me they couldn't help me. At least Xbox Live lets you change regions. It makes no sense to lock people to regions in a globalized world. Screw PlayStation.

I'm just saying that the fault might be on your end

yeah Sony can never do wrong even when they allow literally thousands of people to get hacked twice because of their poor security.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

I'm kind of surprised rampant invasion of privacy that's built into Windows 10 and got backported into 7 and 8 didn't get a mention on Microsoft's side. Granted, OP seems to be written mostly from a console gamer's perspective (which explains the lack of EA and WB), but still, sneaking a fkin keylogger into your products, in two cases years after they were released is a whole new level of bullshit far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, I was focusing on console gaming mostly but also I didn't really think of how Windows affects PC gaming much as I think of Steam first in that regard. I'm guessing you can disable that shit in Windows but of course, most won't even know about it or look up how to disable it. I have Windows 7 service pack 1 installed with no updates past that point because I don't do updates unless there's something that doesn't work and an update will fix it.

Putting aside the non-gaming-specific OS shenanigans, the whole Games for Windows Live debacle where they broke dozens of games (their own and other publishers) by turning off their authentication server would probably be a big negative.

I forgot about Games for Windows Live, added to the list.

Sony should know that you should never assume anything.

yeah Sony can never do wrong even when they allow literally thousands of people to get hacked twice because of their poor security.

You can't micromanage everything as a major company, shit will happen and you can mitigate everything. For example, it probably wasn't Nintendo's fault that a Super Mario Bros. rom was downloaded and resold to consumers as that job was probably outsourced. I put that on the list because of Nintendo's anti-consumer stance on emulation and roms and that incident just so happened to be the perfect example of Nintendo's hypocrisy.

I put the PSN hack in the list and blamed Sony yet "Sony can never do wrong". Accounts getting stolen is more often than not user error like for example the most recent incident of PSN and Xbox account stealing [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/02/01/hackers-steal-25-million-playstation-xbox-players-details-major/] had nothing to do with Sony or Microsoft, which was also literally the 3rd google result when just searching 'sony hack 2017'. I will blame any company for doing wrong when it is indeed the company's fault. Where's your additions to the list? You must know more about Nintendo than me. But, of course, to you Nintendo can do no wrong. Funny how Nintendo is pretty close to freaking Microsoft in the poll considering how bad Microsoft is.

 

[Vigormortis]

yeah Sony can never do wrong even when they...

The hypocrisy of someone like you saying this to someone else is fucking palpable.

 

[Vigormortis]

Sony and Nintendo fans confuse me greatly.

Fanboyism, in general, is baffling. That someone would take criticisms of a fucking company as if they were personal attacks on themselves is just...I just honestly don't get it. How sad must someone's life be, how little self worth must someone have, to feel they need to pin their personality and self-image on the public perception of a company? It's like someone taking it as a personal attack on their very soul when someone tells them, "Sorry, I prefer Pepsi to Coca-Cola."

I mean, I love Half-Life, Portal, Dota 2, Left 4 Dead, and the rest of Valve's catalog of games. I'm also a big admirer of their creativity and their groundbreaking work in VR. I use Steam as my primary gaming platform.

Yet, even so, I will be one of the first to criticize them for their fuck ups and bad decisions. Partly because I admire them as artists, engineers, programmers, composers, and writers. I enjoy their work. I'd rather not see them fuck things up.

 

[The Lunatic]

Hard to say.

I think Microsoft (In regards to consoles, anyway.) is so irrelevant at this point, any shitty stuff they do will affect so few people, it's kinda pointless to bring up.

Sony obviously isn't doing great. Implementing paid online services and a refusal to allow crossplay are kinda the big two.

However, Nintendo... Well, they're also doing paid online services (However, it keeps getting delayed.) The physical DLC thing they're doing is fucking awful. Then there's the whole attacking of fan projects, use of DMCAs to bully youtubers and so on.

Thinking about it, it kinda seems like Nintendo wins this pretty securely.