Poll: Parent Censorship

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WrcklessIntent

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No its not right. For one i mean comon the kid is 15 when your that age you kinda pretty much know everything sexual,cursing, and drugs based. Its better that your child learn about in the proper why then you just denying them information or just pretending like there isn't any problem.
 

Maheemo

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Any kind of censorship is wrong, people don't have a right to not get offended.
 

londelen

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Her mom should smarten up. She knows about the internet, so she has heard, read, and seen "worse", multiple times, on purpose.
 

Naeo

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I'd say no in general. Some specific cases, yeah, but the teacher should have had a list of books to be read at the beginning of the year so any objections would be heard long enough in advance to make the necessary changes. Even if the complaints are BS, they still sadly hold some legal/bureaucratic water.
 

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OF COURSE THIS IS OK!

We're always banging on about how parents should control their goddamn kids. Stop them from playing adult video games so we don't have to deal with the shitstorm from the media.

How can we tell parents to control one medium of entertainment and not another!?

I havent' read the book, but it shouldn't matter if it's the most gratuitously paedophilic book ever written or a treatise on the universal appeal of kittens. This parent is doing what she thinks is right and who the fuck are you all to tell her how to raise her kid.
You're painting two completely different pictures with the same brush, as I have been taught to say.
That book is the educational curriculum.
Video games are entertainment.
The mother is censoring a book. This affects only her daughter.
Video games for older people/xbox live accounts that are given to children make screechy t-bagging you-can't-do-anything-about-my-assholeitude 10 year olds that make online gaming a shittier thing to use affects alot more people.

You have to look at every situation and react accordingly. You can't say all censorship is good or all censorship is bad. It isn't fair.

Look at Atkinson over in Australia.
From what I've been hearing on the Escapist, this guy says M rated games are terrible for your children and the all include rape,violence,torture,etc.etc.

Another article on the Escapist says he often refers to RapeLay. Making it sound like the general description of any/all games.ONE GAME.Just one.PS1,2, and 3 put together is supposed to have something close to 20,000 games altogether as of 2009.N64 has over 300,it just goes on and on. But RapeLay screeches the loudest,as it is the worst of the worst. Easiest ammo to grab.

(Australians that know I have my facts wrong chime in at any time)

But the moral of the story is:
Don't single your children out just because you think its naughty.Leave your controlling to when you need it. Like in a serious situation with your children.Not a book that you have to write a little report on.
Anyways,yeah that was my rant for the day, sorry to jump down your throat like that. Just stressed about exams next week.
 

PayneTrayne

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The only way this could be acceptable is if the daughter herself had experienced such a thing and it would make her uncomfortable. Otherwise, daughter's choice uber allus.
 

Laxman9292

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I cannot understand parental censorship. Even on the subject of sex ed. Hell, especially on the subject of sex ed! The purpose of school is to teach vital information for your everyday life. People who opt out of sex ed are the ones who end up aborting their fetuses because they were too stupid to realize not wrapping it up may cause pregnancy. But they did not know any better because their stupid short-sighted parents thought it would offend their young mind.
 

thestickman91

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Well censorship in general is a bad idea. on the other hand a parent has the right to choose what they feel is appropriate for their child to be exposed to. right or wrong, it's the parents choice until the kids 18
 

snow

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No I don't think it is right.

But honestly, why make a problem out of something that's not a big deal?
It is a big deal because parents these days don't just censor things from their children... They sue companies to censor things from everyone for their children because they can't do it themselves...

I actually like the mother in the story the thread creator told us of... She sounds like she is one of the few parents left that take things into her own hands and doesn't make it a problem for anyone outside of that family... Who's to say that will stay the same forever though...

Though I strongly believe that any kind of censorship causes worse outcomes than whatever is being censored. I know there will be nut jobs out there that are afraid of their little princes and princesses seeing or hearing the SLIGHTEST sprinkle of illness that covers this god forsaken planet... I just wish they'd screw up just their own children and leave the rest of the world out of that psychologist appointment waiting to happen...
 

Cain_Zeros

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Fuck... That... Shit... I've never read Lolita (it's on my to-read list), but I can guarantee I read worse (or at least equal) when I was 15. There are SOME things that, yes, 15's a little young for, but not much.
 

Pimppeter2

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snowfox said:
Pimppeter2 said:
No I don't think it is right.

But honestly, why make a problem out of something that's not a big deal?
It is a big deal because parents these days don't just censor things from their children... They sue companies to censor things from everyone for their children because they can't do it themselves...

I actually like the mother in the story the thread creator told us of... She sounds like she is one of the few parents left that take things into her own hands and doesn't make it a problem for anyone outside of that family... Who's to say that will stay the same forever though...

Though I strongly believe that any kind of censorship causes worse outcomes than whatever is being censored. I know there will be nut jobs out there that are afraid of their little princes and princesses seeing or hearing the SLIGHTEST sprinkle of illness that covers this god forsaken planet... I just wish they'd screw up just their own children and leave the rest of the world out of that psychologist appointment waiting to happen...
At the same time we don't know anything about this girls past. What if her father was a peadophile? We can't judge this mom on the basis that we're just assuming she's crazy.
 

MrPhyntch

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I think it is completely justified that she has the right to control aspects of her curriculum like this. After all, parents are the ones that fund the public school system, they should without a doubt be able to exercise some control over the institution that they fund. I do not agree with the mother's decision in this situation, but I do agree with the principle of parents being allowed to influence the public school system. If they do not put checks on the schools, who will?
This.

Let me set aside the instance for a second, and respond to the question at hand: I am not a fan of censorship (most of the time), but I am a fan of parents being active in their kids' lives and deciding what they should learn. If that is parental censorship, then yes, I am in favor.

The parents should have every right to have their kids learn what they want them to learn, for good or ill. While I despise parents that would have their kids learn wrong things for wrong reasons, it's their kids, it's their choice. I know if and when I have kids, I'll want to raise them my way. However, it isn't right, nor is it fair of me to expect to be able to if I can't do the same.

Getting back on the this particular instance, I do believe that the mother in this case is going a little overboard. While it may be a novel about a touchy subject matter, the girl is fifteen. At that age, she is able to make a few more decisions, and ought to be more trusted to not go out and dance horizontally with someone 3 times her age.

If I couldn't trust my 15 year old son/daughter with that, then I would feel like a failure as a parent, that someone I raised isn't mature enough to handle a simple book.

That being said, again, as the parent, I would look into the book, read it myself, find out about it as much as possible, and try to discuss the goings on of the book with my child. It's lazy and irresponsible to just assume that the school knows what it's doing and can raise my kids for me. However, just because a book is a little racy doesn't mean I'd personally censor it...

Rensenhito said:
The Bible deals with rape, incest, incestuous rape, murder, lust, greed, and greedy, lusty, incestuous murderer-rapists...
...because of this.

Bible fun fact: King David sent a man to the front lines in a war to kill him off, leaving the widow for himself AFTER he had impregnated said widow. He was still called a "man after God's own heart."

Which is kinda the point. That we all make mistakes, and we better ourselves from them. But barring ourselves from the outside world isn't healthy.

Medical fun fact: Vaccines are essentially a "dead" virus. As in, you are putting the disease into your body, while it's in a form that can't harm you, so that your body can know what it's supposed to fight off. Don't take the dead virus? A live one, which can harm or kill you, will enter your body, and your immune system won't know what to do.

It's the same thing. Let the kid read about it, so that she knows that it exists, then let her know, while reading, that it's wrong, and why. This would be so much more healthy than simply saying "don't read it."

However, as I said before, it is the parents' responsibility to raise their kids, not mine, not the schools, not the government. If the mother wants to homeschool her daughter instead of having her read it, it's her decision, however unhealthy and counterintuitive it is. It's not my child, it's not my choice.
 

Flos

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Parent's choice. You don't have to like it. Hell, you can be as vocal as not liking it as you like.

However, the person currently owns that girl and is allowed some say on how the child is taught. This is the 'parenting' people on the Escapist cry so much about. Some of you guys act like people are only allowed to parent when you agree with what they censor/how they do it.

"That woman doesn't let her child play video games/watch TV/read a certain book? What a *****!"

Yes, yes. What a ***** indeed. But the moment she does and the kid flies off the handle, she's a bad mother who didn't 'parent' properly.

:mad: Jerks.
 

Maheemo

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Rensenhito said:
I think the mother is a complete idiot, to be perfectly honest. Sure, Lolita deals with some sensitive issues. BIG DEAL. The fucking Bible deals with rape, incest, incestuous rape, murder, lust, greed, and greedy, lusty, incestuous murderer-rapists... and the poor girl's mother has no doubt made that bit of literature "required reading" in her household.
But anyway, literary censorship is never the right thing to do. If the girl isn't introduced to more mature materials, she'll never become a mature, functioning adult. Trust me. I've seen it happen.

 

shintakie10

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At the same time we don't know anything about this girls past. What if her father was a peadophile? We can't judge this mom on the basis that we're just assuming she's crazy.
If the child in question's father was a pedophile than that is about the only legitimate reason as to why the parent would keep her child from readin it. If that is not the case then the parent is just bein...whats a not rude word...close minded I guess. The book itself doesnt glorify what the main character does, in fact it pretty much does the exact opposite. If anythin the parent should be wantin her child to read it then she can have a discussion about it and what it all means.

As it is, with the limited information we're given, it sounds like the parent simply kept her child from readin it without even knowin the context of the book which sounds like the whole ****** (the book) controversy to which I think pretty much anyone with any knowledge on the subject would just shake their head at the ignorance.
 

Danpascooch

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azukar said:
danpascooch said:
That said, I think it is completely justified that she has the right to control aspects of her curriculum like this. After all, parents are the ones that fund the public school system, they should without a doubt be able to exercise some control over the institution that they fund. I do not agree with the mother's decision in this situation, but I do agree with the principle of parents being allowed to influence the public school system.
Nnno, you're thinking about this the wrong way around. Public education is education for all; education for the masses. If the mother wants to have some influence in curriculum design, she should send her daughter to a private school, where those lofty school fees really do fund the institution.
So you're saying that public school taxes fund....what? The local bakery?

You're completely wrong, every tax paying citizen that lives in a reasonable proximity to a public school (IE close enough to send their child there) is funding it through their taxes.
 

Danpascooch

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Maheemo said:
1.) What does this have to do with anything?
2.) Posting a picture with no supplementary text (text in picture apparently doesn't count) is against the rules