Poll: Parents need to get paddled too.

[Gothproxy]

So this article about some kid who got spanked in school really got me thinking about some things.

(Here is the article, BTW: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/mom-angry-male-vice-principal-spanked-her-daughter-234456335--abc-news-topstories.html )

What has me mad is not that the kid got spanked. Not even that it was a male spanking a girl (don't get me started on the whole sexist 'women can't hit as hard as men can' crap). No, what really has me ticked is that so many parents are all up in arms over this, for various, rather moronic reasons. I mean, it's not like they really care what happened to this kid...

So here is to all the parents thinking that this is "bad". This rant's for you:

You know who should really be paddled? PARENTS!!! Why? You all complain about punishments in school without giving two cents about what your kids are being taught (or not taught) or what they are even doing in school (that's assuming they are even going to school at all). If you did, you'd be up in arms in the millions about budget cuts for schools instead of demanding MORE money for schools.

You all coddle your kids into thinking they are all special and all deserve ribbons and kill any chance of healthy growth through competition in the classroom. "Little Johnny needs to dumb it down because little Timmy's feelings are being hurt." And we can't have that, now, can we?

You all are to blame for there being no Christmas programs in schools (cause some other religion would be "offended").

You all are to blame that your kids a whiny brats because you don't punish them at all. And NO, time outs don't do it. Stern talking-tos don't do it. If you aren't a believer in corporal punishment, at least take away their video games, iCrap, cell phones, etc. If not, what's the point of getting mad at your kid? Hit 'em where it hurts. If that's not the rear-end, then at least let it be the pocket book or entertainment.

You all are to blame that your kids are too fat and lazy cause you give them everything they want (probably just to shut them up).

You all are to blame that schools can't teach the arts. (Again, this goes to you all not giving a crap about the lack of funding your schools get.

You all are to blame that you are "too busy" with your own crap that you don't get involved with your child's education and yet blame the teachers when they get bad grades.

So yeah, parents, get in line right behind your child when they need to be punished at school. You're just as much at fault as they are. So bend over and take it like the fail you are.

 

[krazykidd]

Amen to that brother .

Nothing more to add , i agree with you 100% . I'm all for spanking . If done properly and for a reason .

The only problem with spanking is when parents that take it out of hand . Sometimes it's just too much . I used to get spanked as a child , most of the time i deserved it . But they were always on my bare ass and always with a belt 3 hits max . I have heard stories of kids getting spanked with hangers and shoes and other miscellenous things ( i'm black so spankings is normal for black kids i think ) thats going out of hand.

I understand that some parents go too far , and it's probably better to not spank you kids rather than ending up doing some permanent damage , but if kids were spanked properly , we would have more model children .

 

[LetalisK]

It's harmful unless you're a 1st or 2nd generation Chinese-American immigrant. Not a joke, I shit you not. I had to research the effects of corporeal punishment and there is a pretty strong consensus that it has adverse behavioral and cognitive development consequences for the child without significantly reducing problem behavior. With the exception of Chinese-American immigrants. Theoretically, they utilize it in such a way so that these issues are avoided, but their general brand of parenting tends to cause other issues anyway.

 

[manic_depressive13]

Student lets another student copy her work. Give them both zero. Problem solved, and no need for anyone to get near her butt.

I don't see any evidence of spoiled children, parents blaming teachers for bad grades or any of the other nonsense you're ranting about. I'm almost inclined to think you just pulled it out of your ass.

 

[newfoundsky]

So. . . parents. . .are to blame that your particular faith isn't brandished about in schools on days you claim your messiah was born? Oh, you do go on!

EDIT: Also, I like how 3/4 of your poll agrees with your particular brand of. . .whatever it is you have going on.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

Spanking is simply a corporal punishment. Proper use of the mechanism is a useful training aid. Properly done, no harm is done and the "emotional scars" people point to (when applied properly) is better interpreted as "behavioral modification". Because, in the end, that's what you want.

Or, to put it another way, a carrot is not terribly effective without a stick. Or more blandly, any training is more efficient if you use both positive and negative reinforcement rather than simply one or the other.

 

[Strazdas]

This is 21st century. Its about time we eradicated physical punishment. It clearly didnt work and it never will, because for kids psyche, short term physical harm des not outweigh the thing he causes.
Teachesrs are not parents and they should NOT PARENT. thats the job of actual parents. Teachers shoudl teach. THATS IT.

Student lets another student copy her work. Give them both zero. Problem solved, and no need for anyone to get near her butt.

copying another work in school - crime.
copying another work in university - research
copying another work in life - cooperation.

 

[manic_depressive13]

Student lets another student copy her work. Give them both zero. Problem solved, and no need for anyone to get near her butt.

copying another work in school - crime.
copying another work in university - research
copying another work in life - cooperation.

More like:
copying another work in school - plagiarism
copying another work in uni - plagiarism
copying another work in life - copyright infringement

 

[Strazdas]

Student lets another student copy her work. Give them both zero. Problem solved, and no need for anyone to get near her butt.

copying another work in school - crime.
copying another work in university - research
copying another work in life - cooperation.

More like:
copying another work in school - plagiarism
copying another work in uni - plagiarism
copying another work in life - copyright infringement

you, sir, are wrong.

 

[manic_depressive13]

you, sir, are wrong.

What a compelling argument. I have no choice but to admit defeat.

 

[Strazdas]

you, sir, are wrong.

What a compelling argument. I have no choice but to admit defeat.

Glad you have seen the light.

 

[TheIronRuler]

you, sir, are wrong.

What a compelling argument. I have no choice but to admit defeat.

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When Bohr took the Rutherford model and improved it, was he engaged in plagiarism?

 

[manic_depressive13]

When Bohr took the Rutherford model and improved it, was he engaged in plagiarism?

No, because he didn't take credit for the Rutherford model. He took credit for the improvements he made. If he had simply copied it and presented it as his own, it would have been plagiarism. This is really an issue of semantics regarding the word "copy". The article implies that the classmate copied the work exactly. I see no reason to assume otherwise. Regardless at what stage you are in life, if you make a carbon copy of someone's work and present it as your own, this is plagiarism.

 

[TheIronRuler]

When Bohr took the Rutherford model and improved it, was he engaged in plagiarism?

No, because he didn't take credit for the Rutherford model. He took credit for the improvements he made. If he had simply copied it and presented it as his own, it would have been plagiarism. This is really an issue of semantics regarding the word "copy". The article implies that the classmate copied the work exactly. I see no reason to assume otherwise. Regardless at what stage you are in life, if you make a carbon copy of someone's work and present it as your own, this is plagiarism.

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I have to agree, but I don't think that this is what the user meant when you leave school. Kids usually take notes from the work of others and try to write their own based on these notes (says an ex-student who had kids copy off him all the time and would always see them with different versions of answers).

 

[Ninjamedic]

Had to post this.


And now, back to lurking.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

Research shows that children who are spanked don't do as well educationally for the rest of their lives.

Case closed. You want your kids to be below average, go for it.

Oh, and for all those who say 'I was spanked and it did me no harm; well down, you've managed to completely misunderstand the concept of scientific method. When 100 children are surveyed and 99 show behavioural problems (remember that a child causing trouble probably wants attention, and hitting them is giving them attention) just because you might happen to the be 1 child who was unaffacted is not proof spanking is okay.

And further to the above, what is exactly is 'did me no harm?' Because I'd say that thinking it's okay to hit children is a sign that you have something wrong with you. Equally, the long term studies all point to the same conclusion, that long-term, spanking causes more problems than it solves in behaviour, education, relationships and of course bringing up your own children. You might not think there's anything wrong with you, but maybe if you had a scientific study done on you they might disagree.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

I think as long as you explain why something is wrong, you don't need excessive punishment. It's the explaining that works. I was beaten (not to be immodest but fairly well), and what came out of that was the opinion that it's a s*** way to punish a child.

As for teachers, some kids have good parents and s*** teachers. It's not always the parents being overindulgent and letting their kids get away with anything. Other times the kids are s*** and the parents have nothing to do with that, they just don't want to be at school. You can't blame parents for everything.

As for bullying, I can attest that the typical detention approach doesn't work, because I was teased in primary school a lot, and it didn't help. But you know what else didn't help? I beat the crap out of every one of them. Made them think twice but even with the benefit of a second thought they did it anyway. You know what would maybe have helped? Someone in the school actually making an effort to understand the situation and deal with it, rather than sending me to counselling. BUT I DIGRESS.

(Jesus Christ the past just comes out sometimes...)

Basically, all the punishment in the world will be ineffectual if there's no message with it. If they don't get the message, it wasn't told well enough or they're one of those people who just want to watch the world burn. In which case I still think they should be given the same chances as others.