Poll: Parents need to get paddled too.

[Aris Khandr]

If any teacher at my schools had dared to touch me when I was in school, they'd be retrieving their testicles from their chest cavity. Corporal punishment is fine, but only in a situation where the party has that authority. School teachers do not, and should not. If my misbehavior was deserving of a spanking, my mother would attend to that when I got home. No one else has the right to discipline your children, especially not according to their own value system.

 

[MrMixelPixel]

You sound like a Creationist. It's other people's job to find the evidence, you're too busy remaining firm in your beliefs.

Creationist shouldn't be used in such a derogatory manner. Many creationists work hard to prove their beliefs. Some even use facts, I swear. Whether they are correct are not, (they aren't...) is another matter entirely.


OT: Children should be disciplined. Disciplining children with physical harm will not yield positive results. Discipline them differently...

 

[Gothproxy]

You know who should really be paddled? PARENTS!!! Why? You all complain about punishments in school without giving two cents about what your kids are being taught (or not taught) or what they are even doing in school (that's assuming they are even going to school at all). If you did, you'd be up in arms in the millions about budget cuts for schools instead of demanding MORE money for schools.

Lol? No, parents do not all complain about punishments in schools. Though lying as you do clearly wasn't punished with enough beatings apparently. Since physical punishment is a panacea and all. And many do care what their kids are taught and note whether their kids go to school. Some people are bad parents of course, but complaining about them won't solve anything. Absurd solutions about paddling them won't fix things.

You all coddle your kids into thinking they are all special and all deserve ribbons and kill any chance of healthy growth through competition in the classroom. "Little Johnny needs to dumb it down because little Timmy's feelings are being hurt." And we can't have that, now, can we?

Apparently some kids were coddled into thinking voicing their worthless rant without evidence still means they should be taken seriously. And the classroom should not be an environment for competition since that inherently leaves losers. It's a facet of the system, and while people should not be slowed down your asinine idea is hardly a solution. You seem to have some delusional idea that all classrooms are being dumbed down for kids who don't get it. The problem with that is... well I can leave it to you to figure out. Hint: Delusional ideas tend not to be realistic.

You all are to blame for there being no Christmas programs in schools (cause some other religion would be "offended").

Why the hell should there be Christmas programs? You were all ranting about worrying about what kids are taught and competition and then you go on to complain that there's a lack of silly pageantry?

You all are to blame that your kids a whiny brats because you don't punish them at all. And NO, time outs don't do it. Stern talking-tos don't do it. If you aren't a believer in corporal punishment, at least take away their video games, iCrap, cell phones, etc. If not, what's the point of getting mad at your kid? Hit 'em where it hurts. If that's not the rear-end, then at least let it be the pocket book or entertainment.

Corporal punishment has not been proven to be as great as you think. Seriously, for someone who rants about the education system and how people aren't doing things right, maybe you should stop working off of your baseless assumptions and start finding something we like to call evidence? And no, your personal experiences and interpretations aren't enough, if you think they are YOU are part of the problem. People who are so full of themselves they engage in endless self-aggrandizement and think their limited opinions are actually WORTH something on their own merit. Give a reasoned argument starting from facts, or just give some facts, but please don't give 'facts' whose only support for being actual facts is that you said them.

Everything you said there? Evidence lacking.

You all are to blame that your kids are too fat and lazy cause you give them everything they want (probably just to shut them up).

Baseless assumption. People like you are a problem because instead of impartially examining the world for problems they go off on rants like yours taking easy targets without evaluating the merit of what they are saying.

You all are to blame that schools can't teach the arts. (Again, this goes to you all not giving a crap about the lack of funding your schools get.

Some do. And funnily enough, money does not grow on trees. Government budget issues are not something parents can spend all the time worrying about. It's more complex than you make it sound. Oh parents will just say "No, don't cut the budget!" and then Santa will bring money to cover the budget because children celebrated Christmas at school!

You all are to blame that you are "too busy" with your own crap that you don't get involved with your child's education and yet blame the teachers when they get bad grades.

Ignorance at its finest. Sometimes parents don't have time. Sometimes parents are stuck working jobs with barely enough time to deal with their kid's education because they would like their kid to have a home. You seem to be assuming parents just run off to do things they enjoy all the time. Sadly reality doesn't generally create the easy to demonize villains you want.

So yeah, parents, get in line right behind your child when they need to be punished at school. You're just as much at fault as they are. So bend over and take it like the fail you are.

You ready to lead the line given that awful baseless rant of yours?

Wow...you really don't get the whole idea behind "rants" now do you? A rant is just that...ranting. It doesn't try to sway a person one way or the other. There doesn't have to be any facts entered into evidence. It's all based on emotion (usually angry emotion). There doesn't have to be sense to it. I don't even care if anyone agreed or disagreed with anything I wrote (though there were people on both sides, so that's nice to see). What you are looking for, pal, is some kind of objective paper or opposition piece. That's not what this was. You're looking for clarity of thought. There isn't any here. You missed the point. And by a very large margin, I might add. Sorry.

 

[Gothproxy]

This was a rant, folks. I'm pretty sure I announced that when I started. Every point I stated was due to a change that I have seen in my life in various schools across the country. There isn't any need for anyone here to cite sources since this isn't an actual argument trying to sway someone's opinion. This was just my opinion at the time (and still is, really). Rants are made of raw emotion, otherwise, I think they would be called soliloquies. But the fact remains that people here (and I love you ALL for your replies) were calling upon others to produce facts to support the ideas that others didn't like. Tough. If I had cared about facts, I could easily produce them. I'm sure most people here could (we are, for the most part, a bit brighter than the norms). But that's not what this was for. This was an Off-topic rant. Plain and simple.

Now, reading all these I have a question: I know I wrote in the poll (which at this writing actually has more votes FOR it than against, but that's not a big deal), "I turned out OK." I used that line because you hear it often when corporal punishment it brought up.

My question...What is OK?

This goes along the lines of "what is normal?" where there is no real answer to it. Just food for thought.

Also, when it came to the Christmas thing, the schools I went to had Christmas programs every December, and yes, it was a public school. Now, in the interest of political correctness (or some other shite) there isn't anymore.

I HAVE seen schools shut down their creative arts programs (theater, music, fine arts, etc) due to lack of funding. Which really ticks me off since it makes logical sense to invest as much money as possible in our next generation's education so as to create a better life for everyone, now and in the future. But you see state and local governments cutting funding for schools (not always the arts but you get what I'm saying) and parents SHOULD be angry about it. They should be mad as hell that their kids aren't being taught in the best capacity they should be. If there are parents that are upset, there aren't enough of them because schools are always at the top of the list of budget cuts and that's just wrong.

Oh, and I'm STILL pissed off that many schools don't do the Pledge of Allegiance anymore. This is the U.S.A. 'nuff said.

As for anything else. **shrugs** Carry on. You guys ran with this more than I thought possible (since I didn't think anyone would see this in the first place). So thank you. =D

Captcha: virtue of necessity (oddly appropriate)

 

[Gothproxy]

I didn't miss the point. You seem to be under the bizarre impression that intending to make a worthless baseless rant means that people shouldn't criticize it for being a worthless baseless rant.

Um. No, that's not what I was thinking at all. Although NOW I think you're just being a troll. But hey, if that's your job...do it well.

 

[Vault101]

Oh, and I'm STILL pissed off that many schools don't do the Pledge of Allegiance anymore. This is the U.S.A. 'nuff said.

that..really doesnt explain anything

and you dont need a pledge to encourage patriotism...I dont know..I find the Idea of a "pledge of aligence" somwhat..orwellion

I'm suspicious of such a concept anyway (patriotism that is)

 

[Lieju]

Or, to put it another way, a carrot is not terribly effective without a stick. Or more blandly, any training is more efficient if you use both positive and negative reinforcement rather than simply one or the other.

Yes, but if you think spanking or other form of physical punishment is the only way of negative reinforcement, you lack imagination.

This was an Off-topic rant. Plain and simple.

Then don't go posting something like this to off-topic DISCUSSION.
Go ramble on your blog or make a video and post it on Youtube or something.

 

[Gothproxy]

I didn't miss the point. You seem to be under the bizarre impression that intending to make a worthless baseless rant means that people shouldn't criticize it for being a worthless baseless rant.

Um. No, that's not what I was thinking at all. Although NOW I think you're just being a troll. But hey, if that's your job...do it well.

Then why would you assume I had missed the point? I never said that you had any intention for your post to have evidence or sway people, doesn't mean I shouldn't criticize it for being crazy nonsense.

And reported for calling me a troll. They do explicitly say not to do that to people. And it's ridiculous to do it for disliking your BS.

Well, all that aside. Reading all of your little "Quips" to all of my points brings up that little old "monster living under the bridge" thing. If that's an offense, fine. If you calling me crazy is an offense, fine. I'm not actually concerned since you can tell how many posts I've written in my time here compared to yours. But seeing someone else here dislike you for some other "under the bridge" activities got me thinking that I'm just fine. But hey, whatever keeps you up tonight =D

 

[Vault101]

With the exception of Chinese-American immigrants. Theoretically, they utilize it in such a way so that these issues are avoided, but their general brand of parenting tends to cause other issues anyway.

tiger parenting you mean?

I get the feeling the media likes to jump on that bandwagon to make us whiteys feel insecure as in "asian people are better than you! their children are smarter! your children are dumb lazy fatasses!" [small/]slight racial overtones[/small] at least thats the impression I get

I dont think "high preasure" type parenting should be condoned

 

[Gothproxy]

Right, when used properly (Pro)
44% (51)

Wrong and should never be used (Anti)
37.1% (43)

"Spare the rod, spoil the child" (Anti)
6.9% (8)

Just fine. My parents beat me and I turned out ok. (Pro)
12.1% (14)

So as of my last post here, before I move on to better things (and write this up for my ethics class) it appears that 56.1% of sampled readers think corporal punishment is OK, while those opposed are at 44%.

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

"Be like me or I will hurt you" - how can anyone *not* think that is barbaric?

 

[Gothproxy]

And it's sad how you don't bother to reply with anything of substance to defend your rant.

What part of "There doesn't have to be any facts entered into evidence. It's all based on emotion" did you not get?

You know what....it doesn't matter. Go find your own "substance". I've got to write all this down for my paper. But thanks, you did make it interesting.

 

[b3nn3tt]

I'm quite enjoying reading all the replies that focus entirely on the subject of spanking kids, rather than address the actual rant in the original post. And it is a rant, I won't call it an argument. While I do agree to an extent that children are largely the product of their upbringing, I don't think that making a blanket statement that any parent complaining about a child in a school being spanked is to blame for all of the perceived ills in society is the best way to frame that point.

In fact, I'll go one further and state that I see absolutely no connection between the two views. The article linked is about a child in a school being spanked by a teacher. Some parents have complained about this. I genuinely cannot fathom how someone could leap from that articlet to 'Those parents who are complaining have no interest at all in their child's education, and are in fact terrible parents who deserve to be beaten with a paddle.' The more I think about it, the more ridiculous that sounds.

And just to jump in on the whole spanking issue, since that's what this thread became about by the second reply, I completely diagree with the concept. I can't fathom why people think it's ok to hit their children, when there are other punishments that are entirely effective and don't involve hitting your child.

 

[runic knight]

Oh, and I'm STILL pissed off that many schools don't do the Pledge of Allegiance anymore. This is the U.S.A. 'nuff said

Umm...why? Their kids, most are too young and too self centered to understand the idea of national pride in any meaningful or useful fashion. Hell, most adults I know only have the "sports team" mentality about national pride, so I really don't expect children to say the pledge with any greater understanding or respect.

Wait... did you mean just as a meaningless lip-service sort of thing that kids do out of being told rather then as a representation of their pride in their nation? The sort of useless indoctrination that tries to pretend that repetition will actually make the kids care any more? Oh, I see...