Poll: Parents need to get paddled too.

[viranimus]

This again?

Ok, Yes, physical punishment is a viable and in all fairness a very crucial tool in proper discipline and raising of children. It has worked for literally THOUSANDS of years. EDIT:Its funny to see people dismiss it as something that destroys people when the civilization has been moving forward for quite a long time. Doesnt seem like all society broke down over all the broken people from the times when it was the accepted common practice, or else we wouldnt be here.

We can clearly see the notion of going without it most certainly does not work. All this ridiculous coddling has manifest in developmentally stunted and emotionally broken adults that we are seeing now. All one has to do is simply look at the emoids living in affluent middle class suburbs who cannot handle if someones feelings get hurt, getting bullied or things didnt go their way and whining how life is all misery and pain.

Where is there any evidence to the contrary to the effectiveness of sparing the rod? Isnt it just so funny how looking back through history, the more we as a people started coddling our children, filling their heads with garbage to set them up for failure and sheltering and protecting their ever loving brains out, the higher the numbers of things like teen suicides and school shootings. Specious reasoning? Ok... anything that disproves it that isnt also specious reasoning?

The funniest thing to me, is how this is a topic where those who are against it, saying its so morally wrong, ineffective and cruel also happen to express that opinion in a brash, hateful, self centered viewpoint unwilling to consider anything other than what they chose to believe in a situation that there are little or no "facts" to support either side. Only common sense and practical application.

 

[Phasmal]

I'm completely against spanking, especially in schools (but that's illegal here anyway).
It is simply not needed.
I was not hit and I will not hit my kids.

I have loads of experience looking after kids and there has never been a time where a kid needs to be spanked.
I've always found positive reinforcement works better anyway.

And what's that weirdness about Christmas? That's got nothing to do with anything.

 

[Yopaz]

OK, so am against spanking. I have never been spanked and I turn out OK, some have been spanked and turn out OK. If used correctly it can probably be effective, but most people don't know child psychology as well as they like to think. When is it too much? When is it harmful or traumatizing? I don't think anyone can give a proper answer to this since it's individual.

I have hardly been punished ever, grounded or such, there weren't a need because I behaved anyway. The process of raising a kid is more than how one choose to punish, it's everything you do when interacting with your child.

However in this I completely sgree with the parents, spank your own kids, but when you are an official who is supposed to be educated about how to deal with kids then you are clearly outnof line. That's pretty much the basics of the road to becoming a teacher.

 

[viranimus]

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No dude... Not doing this with you again. I knew the second I posted,(and realized your avatar had changed) and correspondingly while I was editing this was exactly what you were doing. This is also part of the reason I did not waste time pulling up sources, because you have your mind made up and you will not listen to anything that contrasts with your opinion, or you will try to ignore it as if it isnt relevant. No amount of information will make you change your viewpoint, not even the fact for every "study" you can point to to back up your claims, there is one that stands in conflict to it. So the "evidence" is all speculative anyway. Then all you are left with is history and practical application. But, again, you wont see that as relevant and dismiss it out of hand anyway like you already have.

If you want the evidence, go look for it. Or better yet, have a kid or two and learn from practical experience why people consider it viable.

 

[viranimus]

How nice, you make unsubstantiated attacks on me to justify the fact you were making shit up. You have no sources.

Substantiated.. Previous direct experience with this thread and you behaving exactly the same way last time we engaged on this topic.

Did you determine this by magic? Because it doesn't seem like evidence ever has much to do with your claims.

Determined by previous direct experience with you in this thread and behaving exactly the same way last time we engaged on this topic.

Total lie, I asked you to back up links you claim exist. But since you just made them up of course you can't so you have to evade by talking about me. Everyone who didn't already agree with you can see what a joke your argument is.

What everyone can see is you behaving much like the manner I pointed to initially, almost creepily so. There is no lie, the philosophical theory that all existence is subjective has long been established.

Didnt start here, but a recent manifestation of eloquence.

You sound like a Creationist. It's other people's job to find the evidence, you're too busy remaining firm in your beliefs.

Well that might be true in your perspective. To each their own,right? However given that the notion of corporal punishment has been with the species for as long as recorded human history, and is still very much accepted in this day and age, it is you who is bucking the trend of conventional and accepted wisdom. So yeah in a way it WOULD fall to you to back it up first.

This is exactly why I said NO. Why exactly SHOULD I go out of my way to provide you with that, when you present your demand in such a rude and aggressive manner. Your barking and howling demanding for literal evidence, when you exhibit no respect for the evidence of practicality is even relevant shows you will not consider it anyway. Hundreds of millions of people in this day and age agree on the viability of this. This isnt just the statements of one individual wingnut. But despite the fact that even BILLIONS of people agree(d) with this, you will not even consider that it can be possible, and rabidly demand it be supported, despite your viewpoint being the current and historical deviated. If a billion people have an opinion on what works... Dont you think its at least worth considering in contrast to your own opinion?

Look, I do not know why exactly you come out like this. I am sorry if you take personal offense. I do however wish you the best, but as I said, No.. I am not further engaging with you if you chose to behave in that manner, because I do not want to get either of us in any sort of trouble. I respectfully disagree with your opinions on the subject, however I do look forward to a chance where we might be able to politely discuss this topic.

 

[Andy Shandy]

Had to post this.


And now, back to lurking.

Posting Jasper's "That's a paddlin" before I could?

I kid, I'm glad somebody remembers it.

 

[In Search of Username]

No, the people who need physical punishment like that are the ones who think it works until they agree it doesn't. If they don't agree eventually then they proved my point.

You've created a paradox! Snake! Snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkkeeeee!

 

[Worgen]

Corporal punishment isn't about teaching, it is about feeling good, it feels good to administer, it feels good to give a little shit the beating we feel they so deserve. Its like the death penalty, that has never once stopped a crime but it gives us the feeling of righteous vengeance we desire when we see something happen we don't agree with.

 

[Angie7F]

I once read (because I don't have kids myself so I wouldn't really know) that the hand that hit the kid is just as painful.

( meaning the parent is not doing it our of pleasure and would prefer to avoid it when they can)

I kind of still believe in that.

 

[C F]

We don't use torture as a punishment in the adult world, so why use it on children?

We don't?
...Well, crap. I'm in trouble. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa4HglgQMfU&t=0m28s]
With that out of the way, where am I? Let's see here.
Hmm... Thread. With a link to an arti-Okay, how is that at all news!?

Oooh, a woman is mad that her child got beat as a punishment in school. I really don't care, this is not at all interesting and is entirely mundane. Plus they're playing the gender card, when really either participant could be gender-swapped and the outcome would still be the same: child punished by adult. A common enough occurrence. Might as well publish a "mailman bit by dog" article and decry the act of keeping hostile dogs on your property. As the spear-man said while holding a wooden shaft: "It lacks a bloody point".

Okay, now there's a rant. Nothing wrong with that, rants are a venting of personal opinion and when they're done well, they're a topic for interesting discussion.
Political correctness: it exists, and there's really nothing you can do about it.
Bad parenting: it exists, and seems to be the bigger topic.
How would you go about implementing a metric to punish adults for this? The thread title is "Parents need to get paddled too." Perhaps that would be a sensible thing to do, if there were at all a systematic way to efficiently identify instances and implement the punishment. Don't bother, we aren't even close to that, and we never will be.

Well, I've decided this is going nowhere, at least for me. So, why am I here again?

 

[Pandaman1911]

Pain is a hell of a motivator, whether the memory be fresh in your mind (and on your ass), or a distant sting still unforgotten. And to the people who say it doesn't work: You know what? You may be right. Not every method of coercion or punishment works for every child. But you know what else? You're never going to know until you try. There's no absolutes in child rearing, except for "It's not easy". So if it works for some other children, but not yours, stuff it. Let other parents do what they need to do to try and bring their damn kid up right. It's hard enough to do that without you getting pious and self-righteous.

 

[Woodsey]

You all are to blame for there being no Christmas programs in schools (cause some other religion would be "offended").

Pretty sure that's down to your constitution.

 

[Shivarage]

Student lets another student copy her work. Give them both zero. Problem solved, and no need for anyone to get near her butt.

I don't see any evidence of spoiled children, parents blaming teachers for bad grades or any of the other nonsense you're ranting about. I'm almost inclined to think you just pulled it out of your ass.

OP is no different from politicians, newspapers, news programs and just about anything else that is considered "professional"

Evidence is never needed when announcing the next money print, tax cut or funding cut to anything not affecting the rich

 

[RustlessPotato]

I'm not going to argue whether spanking works or not ( I got spanked 1 time by my dad when I was 5 and never did anything again and turned out fine). I do agree that too many parents these days try to be their children's friends instead of their parents.