Poll: Pedophilia

[Danpascooch]

Sorry Pal, I don't approve of anyone sticking anything into anyone who isn't legal, and I'm pretty sure most people feel the same way.

In some places on this earth homosexuality is illegal, so if I may extrapolate and really stretch an assumption here (I am not in any way implying that you actually think like this), your definition of what is right and wrong is based on the laws of the land, therefore if an 80 year old having sex with an 8 year old was legal you would approve and if homosexual acts were illegal you would disapprove.

Perhaps my point is that you should really make up your own mind instead of letting the govornment dictate your morals, otherwise you could end up a mindless person incapable of individual thought and subject to the whims of those who make up the rules. I mean seriously would you immediately make Saudi morals your own if you went there?

These children don't even have any sort of sexual drive yet, so there is no way they would want this much less initiate it, it's basically always some form of rape, rationalize it however you want, but I'm still basically against raping kids.

But hey, if raping kids is cool with you, who am I to judge? (I'm Danpascooch that's who, and it's fucking sick and wrong)

 

[Danpascooch]

A better question would be "Why does this thread exist?"

The answer: It was more fun than just flat out asking the mods to ban him.

 

[Amethyst Wind]

In ancient Athens, there were some master/pupil relationships that strained the boundaries of what our culture would consider proper, as well as ancient China where emperors would marry very young and, if circumstances demanded it, be remarried to essentially tweens while they could be in their 30s or 40s.

It's a stigma of modern culture but it's not unheard of in the past, there was just a different viewpoint back then.

It's shortsighted to say either way that it will or will not be accepted again, but you can quite easily say it's a possibility.

 

[Danpascooch]

Okay here's the thing. Pedophilia itself (as in, having an attraction to young people) is not wrong. People who have it can't really help having those feelings; it's a fetish. The same way that a person who has a foot fetish or an animal fetish is not a lesser person for having it.

Acting on those feelings is what is wrong in this case because it's obviously damaging to the victims.

You can't compare it to homosexuality because between two consenting adults nobody is being harmed in that case. But in the case of pedophillia, yes it is wrong, and no it will never ever be accepted. People come to accept things when there is no logical reason to not accept them (like homosexuality) but something harmful like this will not be accepted.

A person who fantasizes about children is not a harmful person if they understand it's wrong and stick to their fantasies (and I am willing to bet there are more people than you think who have the urges but never act on them due to their own morals. I have met one person like this before who confessed it to me.) However it is quite a dangerous fetish to have if the person loses control.

I voted No in your poll for this reason.

From what you just said, you should have voted yes, Pedophilia refers to the act, not the urge.

 

[Drakmeire]

throughout most of history girls as young as 10 would be married off to men in their late 20's it's just at some point society decided to make an "age of consent" which is still a fairly new notion, while some girls may be ready for a sexual relationship at 18 some may be mature enough to handle it at a younger age, while others even at 18 couldn't be considered mature enough to handle that kind of responsibility (just think about how many 21 year olds kill themselves on alcohol because they don't know what their body can handle and aren't mature enough to take responsibility)
in fact, things may be even more complicated due to children reaching puberty at a younger age on average, making it very hard to tell someone's age, I'm 18 but I'm fairly thin and shave so I look 16 sometimes, (despite being 6'2) and before I graduated there were several freshman taller than me with full beards. I've seen girls in middle school who are taller and curvier than the majority of college girls.

What I really find sickening is when an underage girl (it's often girls) gets a fake ID and goes to a bar, and winds up sleeping with someone, the GIRL can press charges against whoever she slept with and they will get punished not the one who lied about their age... what kind of backwards logic is that?

I could go on but I'm not sure anyone will even take the time to read this wall of text I have so far.

 

[Druyn]

nope, never gonna be okay. I see where you are coming from on this, but it will never be. Its just plain wrong, and it needs to stay that way. Forever.

Unacceptable under any circumstances. Always will be.

 

[Danpascooch]

It depends on the age. I mean, if one partner is 16 and the other is like 20, would that be considered paedophilia? (The legal age for intercourse here is 16, but I know it's different elsewhere.)
I will say though, if the kid is under 15, they shouldn't be doing anything like that. That's just not right. I don't think it's the kind of thing that would be accepted into any society I'd want to live in.

If it's under 18, it's wrong in today's society.

If it is too young for that person to hit puberty, it is wrong forever, because they would never consent to it without having a sexual drive if they really knew what it entailed..

 

[Billion Backs]

In before (or rather, probably way after) pedo hunt! Pedo hunt, pedo hunt, get your torches and your forks.

It's a very complicated discussion deeply rooted in various philosophical and ideological concepts. Shit like that doesn't belong on this website. If it's not a catchy one liner, GTFO!

Also,

Sorry Pal, I don't approve of anyone sticking anything into anyone who isn't legal, and I'm pretty sure most people feel the same way.

In some places on this earth homosexuality is illegal, so if I may extrapolate and really stretch an assumption here (I am not in any way implying that you actually think like this), your definition of what is right and wrong is based on the laws of the land, therefore if an 80 year old having sex with an 8 year old was legal you would approve and if homosexual acts were illegal you would disapprove.

Perhaps my point is that you should really make up your own mind instead of letting the govornment dictate your morals, otherwise you could end up a mindless person incapable of individual thought and subject to the whims of those who make up the rules. I mean seriously would you immediately make Saudi morals your own if you went there?

I love you man. It fucking annoys me when people claim that something is "bad" because it's illegal. No. Things can be illegal because someone in power thinks they're bad, and that doesn't mean they're in any way correct. Blindly following laws is fucking stupid.

 

[Danpascooch]

throughout most of history girls as young as 10 would be married off to men in their late 20's it's just at some point society decided to make an "age of consent" which is still a fairly new notion, while some girls may be ready for a sexual relationship at 18 some may be mature enough to handle it at a younger age, while others even at 18 couldn't be considered mature enough to handle that kind of responsibility (just think about how many 21 year olds kill themselves on alcohol because they don't know what their body can handle and aren't mature enough to take responsibility)
in fact, things may be even more complicated due to children reaching puberty at a younger age on average, making it very hard to tell someone's age, I'm 18 but I'm fairly thin and shave so I look 16 sometimes, (despite being 6'2) and before I graduated there were several freshman taller than me with full beards. I've seen girls in middle school who are taller and curvier than the majority of college girls.

What I really find sickening is when an underage girl (it's often girls) gets a fake ID and goes to a bar, and winds up sleeping with someone, the GIRL can press charges against whoever she slept with and they will get punished not the one who lied about their age... what kind of backwards logic is that?

I could go on but I'm not sure anyone will even take the time to read this wall of text I have so far.

This is my opinion:
If it's under 18, it's wrong in today's society.

If it is too young for that person to hit puberty, it is wrong forever, because they would never consent to it without having a sexual drive if they really knew what it entailed..

And yes, that fake ID "ha ha you raped me" crap is total bullshit, basically if they find a fake ID on her, she should NOT be able to press charges in any way.....and the guy should be allowed one open palm *****-slap on her for tricking him.

 

[Silver Patriot]

Since people that young are incapable of having any sort of sexual drive, they don't initiate, cannot find it enjoyable, and that means it is pretty much always (if not completely always) something that is forced upon them so no, it's never ok, and it's so fucking wrong that I can't believe anyone could even consider this.

Pretty much this.

Though the whole 17 is jail bait thing is kind of stupid in my opinion, you can't expect people who are yonger then that to understand.

 

[Danpascooch]

In before (or rather, probably way after) pedo hunt! Pedo hunt, pedo hunt, get your torches and your forks.

It's a very complicated discussion deeply rooted in various philosophical and ideological concepts. Shit like that doesn't belong on this website. If it's not a catchy one liner, GTFO!

Also,

Sorry Pal, I don't approve of anyone sticking anything into anyone who isn't legal, and I'm pretty sure most people feel the same way.

In some places on this earth homosexuality is illegal, so if I may extrapolate and really stretch an assumption here (I am not in any way implying that you actually think like this), your definition of what is right and wrong is based on the laws of the land, therefore if an 80 year old having sex with an 8 year old was legal you would approve and if homosexual acts were illegal you would disapprove.

Perhaps my point is that you should really make up your own mind instead of letting the govornment dictate your morals, otherwise you could end up a mindless person incapable of individual thought and subject to the whims of those who make up the rules. I mean seriously would you immediately make Saudi morals your own if you went there?

I love you man. It fucking annoys me when people claim that something is "bad" because it's illegal. No. Things can be illegal because someone in power thinks they're bad, and that doesn't mean they're in any way correct. Blindly following laws is fucking stupid.

Blindly following the laws is stupid, and raping kids is wrong. Are we clear on that? Good.

 

[RJ Dalton]

Regardless of the specific age, there has ALWAYS been "too young". Pedophilia has always been wrong, certainly at different standards throughout history, but it has always existed and been condemned by every culture in history.

If I remember correctly (I'll have to go look it up again to be sure), women in some Arabic cultures are married as young as 5-7 years old. Again, if I remember correctly, that's still done today.

 

[Danpascooch]

Since people that young are incapable of having any sort of sexual drive, they don't initiate, cannot find it enjoyable, and that means it is pretty much always (if not completely always) something that is forced upon them so no, it's never ok, and it's so fucking wrong that I can't believe anyone could even consider this.

Pretty much this.

Though the whole 17 is jail bait thing is kind of stupid in my opinion, you can't expect people who are yonger then that to understand.

When people say "Pedophilia" I pretty much see that as "under 15"

If they're 16 or 17 people generally say "statutory rape" not "pedophilia"

 

[Harn]

The acceptable age has increased as the human lifespan increases, I mean, way back in the days of yore, girls were allowed to marry as young as 12. However, when you take into account that the average lifespan for a peasant would have been 30 years or so, it's less like they were children are more like they were middle-aged. Also with a lack of medicines and poor living conditions, fertility rates were really low, so there was no time to waste, as it were.

As the human lifespan is now sitting at around 70 years, the acceptable age for that sort of thing has also gone up, as well with our current level of technology, it's not as important to *ahem* pump them out while you're still young, as there's not as huge a risk to your health by having children as there used to be. Our children are also much more sheltered in this day and age, not being taught about 'adult' themes such as death and the other gender until their mid-teens.

Anyways, point I'm trying to make is it all depends on the society, if the shit hits the fan and the average lifespan drops down to 25, I'm betting people would become very accepting very quickly, but until then, keep the bear costume in the closet.

 

[milskidasith]

It's pretty much never going to be right to act on it, because little kids will never be able to give consent (or be mentally developed enough to know what consent means).

If somebody has that preference hard coded into their DNA, and they don't act on it, I don't see it as a problem; if it stays in their head and even in artwork, there's no real problem, even if I don't share the view.

EDIT: As an aside, 16 and 17 year olds are legal in some states and, outside of the US, in some countries. In some states, I believe, there's also an age gap rule, which basically says if they are 16 and 17, it's illegal if you are more than three or five years older than them, or some figure like that.

 

[Twitchy Racoon]

Sorry if I sound wrong here, but our idea of when we should have sex and what love is both originate from religious fanatics hundreds of years ago that would kill anybody that didnt agree with them, societies idea of right and wrong is decided by a small group of people that can pretty much do what ever the fuck they want with our gullible minds.

Anyway I dont think pedophilia is wrong because of the age difference, i think its because its a sort of rape, we think its wrong that two 13 year-olds shake the mattress cuz thats what we have grown-up to believe.

 

[Silver Patriot]

Since people that young are incapable of having any sort of sexual drive, they don't initiate, cannot find it enjoyable, and that means it is pretty much always (if not completely always) something that is forced upon them so no, it's never ok, and it's so fucking wrong that I can't believe anyone could even consider this.

Pretty much this.

Though the whole 17 is jail bait thing is kind of stupid in my opinion, you can't expect people who are yonger then that to understand.

When people say "Pedophilia" I pretty much see that as "under 15"

If they're 16 or 17 people generally say "statutory rape" not "pedophilia"

Is it? Crap I need to check facts bofore posting more. Though given the definition of pedophilia it makes sense.

Ok 10 seconds of research proved your right. Under the age of consent it's "statutory rape", before puberty it's "child molestation."

 

[mattttherman3]

Two things that Western society hate most: animal cruelty and crimes involving children, theres your answer. Unless they make some sort of clones that are children and have no minds cept for serving you...