Poll: Piracy dilema kind-of

[RatRace123]

I'd say you should be able to do it legally, or at the very least steal it back from the jerk who stole it from you.

As it stands, I wouldn't begrudge you if you did it.

 

[strykr]

No, its not.

What you are doing is still copyright infringement. Its piracy.

Just download the fucking album if you feel you need to and dont if you dont. Just please refrain from opening these threads, because honestly, what do we get out of it? Is it acceptable? Jesus, I have absolutely no problem with pirates. I do have a problem with pirates who need to justify every single download and come up with 5000 excuses, and then, to top it, open the 5 billionth "Is copyright infringement ok if I..." thread.

Sir/madam, I only got round to reading this thread dis-morning. So I'm sorry I couldn't respond to this earlier.

I asked you for an opinion, that was the point of this thread. It allowed me to base my own moral judgement of that of otherwise, a standard atypical response to any moral dilemma is that we subjugate ourselves to our peers for evaluation and comment. This allows us to develop morals and principles in line with social convention. That is why I posed a simple question which other posters were happy to engage in.

You however have decided to engage in an entirely inappropriate manner. That is that you decided to responded in a typical pretentious artistic **** manner. That is to say you decided to step outside of the subject manner and look at this in an overall view in relation to the forum you endeavour in using.

I didn't ask for a general comment as an overview comment, and I don't particularly enjoy people placing themselves on a pedestal to look down there nose and judge what they feel to be suitable content manner, when there is nothing inherently wrong, vulgar, or vile with said content.

If you don't feel this thread warranted your time, don't comment. If I was a store owner and you wandered into my shop and started telling me my clothing range is no different than the other stores you know what I'd tell you? Then go some place else you twat.

So to sum up. I feel your comment was a waste of time, and was an attempt on your behalf to drop some bile on the internet. I hope you'll refrain from doing this in the future, because it doesn't give you an air of intellect and advanced reasoning I cannot comprehend, it gives you the air of being both precocious and elitist.

Yes I have somewhat taken this too far out of turn, but please re-read your comment and evaluate how you come across, because it does irritate me, and it would no doubt do the same to others. Thank-you.

nope that guy was right, chill out brahhh
then again who gives a fuck about "piracy"? the term is flawed from the beginning. it would be just as bad to have a friend burn a copy of the cd for you so why do you care? either way it's sharing and if you like the music you like it and the artists/label should be happy XD

 

[Maze1125]

Heres what matters: in the eyes of the law, its copyright infringement. "Well I bought it once 3 years ago but list it" wont ever hold up in court, and thats the way it should be, for extremely obvious reasons.

I disagree. Show me one single case that has been successfully won by the plaintive, where the defendant had only downloaded albums they had already paid for by some other means.

Not only would that defence hold up in court, no record company would be foolish enough to try and sue over it.

 

[strykr]

Long story short. I bought the Mumford & Sons album a while back when it was new, I left it at a friends and thought, oh bugger, I have no longer got any contact with him. A while on I remembered how much I liked that album and bought it again. Unfortunately my car was broken into recently and they took my radio and all my CD's.

It was one of a very few albums I hadn't backed up on my laptop.

So the poll question, is it acceptable if I download that album?

I guess I just want to use the collective morality of the internet to back a decision I want to do. So yeah, cheers for your input.

Oh also sorry for another piracy thread.

its a shame but things like that just happen. you have to deal with it.

you should better buy the album again, maybe the price is now reduced.
this way you can support your favorite band.( at least a little)

because if you get caught and you have no physical copy of the album, you're going to have a very hard time no matter what you say to defend yourself.

and a copy just doesn't beat a good album with booklets and cover, plus it keeps a bit of its valor.

so buy the album and lay some claymores around to never lose it again.

what are you talking about with the "if you get caught and you have no physical copy of the album, you're going to have a very hard time no matter what you say to defend yourself"? the cd got broken when you dropped it on the ground? what kind of stupid point are you trying to make? nice grammar by the way

 

[MasochisticAvenger]

In other words, you want a bunch of random people on the internet to justify something you know is wrong so you can sleep easier at night. Buying a CD/DVD/Video Game doesn't mean you own the content on the disc; it just means you own that one copy. Yes, it sucks you've had to buy the same CD twice and have nothing to show for it, but maybe that just means you need to take better care of your stuff.

 

[Dense_Electric]

Just because I bought a book once doesn't entitle me to go get a brand new copy of that book whenever I want, even if I lost the first one.

/facepalm

He's not suggesting walking into the store and walking out with a new copy of the album without paying for it. Because what you just said is the direct equivalent of that.

Buying a CD/DVD/Video Game doesn't mean you own the content on the disc; it just means you own that one copy.

Wrong. What it gives you is the right to access that content whenever, where ever you please. Perhaps not legally, but ethically. What we're talking about is making sure the people who create content are compensated for their work. If they've already been compensated for a piece of content, you're square with them.

@ OP - if you already bought it, you're fine. If you bought it twice, you're more than fine.

 

[Xorph]

Fine by me. At one point I had a semi-similar situation.
I bought Fallout Nev Vegas brand new for the Xbox, and bought the first 2 dlcs.
About half a year later I got my gaming PC and bought New Vegas for that too. AND I bought one of the dlcs again.
After paying for the game twice and paying for 3 dlcs I just downloaded the 3 I didn't have on PC yet.
So, far as I'm concerned, if you've already paid for it twice the creators have already gotten your money twice, so just downloading it seems fine

 

[tippy2k2]

I've given up on trying to convince people that stealing is wrong at this point but I'll go ahead and say this:

I've bought Starcraft three separate times because I've lost the disk. Just because you were either irresponsible or unlucky doesn't give you the right to take a new copy. I don't ever think there is a good reason to pirate anything but that's just me.

 

[cookyy2k]

Long story short. I bought the Mumford & Sons album a while back when it was new, I left it at a friends and thought, oh bugger, I have no longer got any contact with him. A while on I remembered how much I liked that album and bought it again. Unfortunately my car was broken into recently and they took my radio and all my CD's.

It was one of a very few albums I hadn't backed up on my laptop.

So the poll question, is it acceptable if I download that album?

I guess I just want to use the collective morality of the internet to back a decision I want to do. So yeah, cheers for your input.

Oh also sorry for another piracy thread.

Think of it this way; Game publishers, record companies and movie studios have for a while now being trying to convince everyone you don't own the data on the disc only the licence. Well if that's the case you own 2 licences, you never owned the data anyway so you should legally and morally download the data as many times as you want. However the publishers etc. want to have their cake and eat it so it is illegal (in some countries, but not others), but certainly not immoral.

 

[Zen Toombs]

If one accepts piracy to be wrong, I still can't say that what the OP is describing is wrong. It may be, but I can't say with honesty that I think it's a bad thing to do.

NOTE TO MODS: Not a pirate, and I don't support piracy.

[sub]please don't hurt me[/sub]

 

[2733]

think about it this way, if you made music would you begrudge someone in your position for illegally downloading your album? I wouldn't.

also someone mentioned youtube to mp3 which I thought was illegal, but I'm now being told is not, does anyone know for sure?

 

[ThatLankyBastard]

If you bought the album it's yours... go for it...

...hell! I personally feel that you can doenload anything as long as you plan on buying it eventually (assuming it's worth being bought of course)...

 

[bad rider]

Unfortunately my car was broken into recently and they took my radio and all my CD's.

Did you collect insurance on your stolen items? If so, buy a new album.

I didn't get fire and theft on the insurance, besides if you do claim on it, it throws you premium up too much to cover the value of the cd's and radio. (In my opinion at least.)

 

[Randomeaninglessword]

I'm usually against piracy, but if you've already bought the game/album/movie/whatever in question, then you have a right to download as much as you want; you've already done your part to support whomever produced it.

 

[Astoria]

You've brought it twice so I'd say it's perfectly fine for you to do so. The owners have already gotten twice the amount of the money you would've paid them normally. If you feel bad about it though then maybe just go buy it again.

 

[Maze1125]

The law changed because 99% of people didn't realise they were breaking it and it was utterly unenforcable.

Exactly.

The law isn't just "what is written down", it's also what actually gets enforced. A crime that can't be punished, or a situation any sane judge would throw out, is, in every way that matters, essentially legal.

 

[Trippy Turtle]

Morally its fine, legally you could still get in trouble.

 

[Wintermoot]

you already bought the rights for one CD it would be downright stupid not to replace it with a digital copy.

 

[zombie711]

It really depends on how comfortable you are with piracy.
Personaly I would just see if the music is on youtube, which it usually is, most likely on vevo.
Also Tread lightly. Piracy are the land mines of the Escapist. One wrong move and your through.