By the fact that the legal system says it is not theft.Agayek said:
Your argument runs much like thus:
"A gun is designed to kill something. How is firing a gun near people not attempted murder!"
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Your argument runs much like thus:
"A gun is designed to kill something. How is firing a gun near people not attempted murder!"
Its wrong. Its just plain simple theft, just becuase you dont have to go to a shop a physically place it in your inside pocket does not make that any less true. Its not a serious crime, but it is against the law.
Yet i still do it, becusae its easy and cowardly. It takes alot of guts to put a cd in your pocket, it dosnt to click the mouse a few times. Plus that bastard Eminem has already had my moneys worth for his over-praised shite.
The argumant runs much more like ,
"Going up to someone punching them in the face and stealing there credit card is a theft. So is stealing there bank details by hacking there accounts online."
He's making the point that he fails to differentiate fraud & theft whether carried out over the interweb or otherwise. Its a view i tend to adhere to, for some unexplicable reason its different in societys eyes.
Yet i still do it, becusae its easy and cowardly. It takes alot of guts to put a cd in your pocket, it dosnt to click the mouse a few times. Plus that bastard Eminem has already had my moneys worth for his over-praised shite.
As far as im concerend his argumant and your statment run with absolutly no similarity.
The argumant runs much more like ,
"Going up to someone punching them in the face and stealing there credit card is a theft. So is stealing there bank details by hacking there accounts online."
He's making the point that he fails to differentiate fraud & theft whether carried out over the interweb or otherwise. Its a view i tend to adhere to, for some unexplicable reason its different in societys eyes.
Because nothing has been lost unless you were going to buy the software.Agayek said:
It's not stealing, downloading music/games/movies is a copyright violation. Stealing implies that something is lost, which doesn't happen when you copy software. Publishers say they're losing money, but all they're actually losing is money they never had. They see every download as someone that would have bought the game, ignoring the fact that most people would never pay for the product.dwightsteel said:
if you do it for your own private use then i don't think its a big deal. but if you do it like my friend did, come into to school saying "any movie any game 5 bucks" then thats different.
How can they ever have the money they loose that they never had if no-one buys the product? Most people might never have paid for the product, but some certinly would have if they had no easy (cheap) option. Ergo money that they never had they should have had becuase its impossable to never have it unles somone gives them it in return for the product that they are selling. Theres nothing seriously wrong with ripping stuff from the interenet in my view (almost everyone does it, even unwillingly of vidio sites etc..), but if your seriously trying the justify it as being perfectly legitamate your in dream world.Flour said:
Are you trying to tell me there's people who give away boxes for free? I've been buying new TVs/fridges etc. even when I don't need them just so I can use the boxes for sneaking missions. I feel like such an idiot.
How many are the "some" that would have bought the product?TrevorOfCrete said:
Where exactly did I try to justify downloading software? If yo umean calling it "not stealing" that's because that's true. Publishers called the people that download stuff pirates and the 'lost' software stealing because "downloads" and "copyright violation" sound pathetic.
I'm not even going to bother trying to decipher the rest of your post.
Yet you're using their product without paying for it. Maybe theft isn't the right word, I don't know. All I do know is that you are benefiting from their work without paying their price, and that violates both the principles of the free market, and common decency.Flour said:
You may as well be making a photocopy of a book and walk off with that, and call it all well and good, because you weren't going to pay for it in the first place. It's ludicrous to say that taking something the developer wants to charge for, without paying for it, is anything even remotely close to justifiable.
My definition of theft is "taking something not freely given without payment, promise of payment, or in exchange for a service". If the legal system disagrees, so be it; at that point it's simply a matter of semantics and picking which word you prefer.Fondant said:
You are making use of something that you did not pay for and put no work into. It's the height of idiocy to call that a legitimate transaction. I don't care if you would never pay for it, nor if you only use it once or twice. You are still utilizing something someone else made for the purpose of being paid, and not paying them for it.
Look, people will inevitably pirate software illegally. It's not a new thing, as it has been happening for ages.
Because bands and record companies have lost money through albums, they have found other ways of making money. It seems they have chosen live gigs to make more money.
Back in the day, you could pay £20 for an AC/DC gig, for example. But now, you could expect hundreds of pounds to be spent. People just move on. And there is no avoiding it (which is why I think it shouldn't be an option on your poll), piracy is a very serious crime.
Because bands and record companies have lost money through albums, they have found other ways of making money. It seems they have chosen live gigs to make more money.
Back in the day, you could pay £20 for an AC/DC gig, for example. But now, you could expect hundreds of pounds to be spent. People just move on. And there is no avoiding it (which is why I think it shouldn't be an option on your poll), piracy is a very serious crime.
Though I've gotten away with pirating for various reasons, the way I look at it, it's simply that you aren't buying the product. What does it matter *why* you didn't buy the product? All reasons to not buy something amount to the same thing: no sale. Why is one reason legal and another not? Companies are just pissed because we, the consumers, took power back from them. All we have to do is not buy their stuff in large enough numbers (piracy or not) and they're OOB. Honestly, we need to move away from corporate IP control anyway, so I guess in a roundabout way piracy (of laziness) is acutally good. The megacorps pull enough abusive shit that I feel that for the bad companies piracy is not only deserved but a balancing effect. And good companies like Stardock prosper despite piracy anyway, so piracy ends up being a moot point.
That having been said, I am going to own and use legitimate physical copies of the things I want.
Now, what I will not tolerate is selling fakes, or counterfeitting. That pisses me off. Because if I did try to buy something but it turned out to be counterfeit, both a legitimate customer and a legitimate company are screwed, and then there is real, definite, unarguable, actually measurable profit loss there. That is unacceptable in any way. That is what should be punished, not simple consumer laziness.
That having been said, I am going to own and use legitimate physical copies of the things I want.
Now, what I will not tolerate is selling fakes, or counterfeitting. That pisses me off. Because if I did try to buy something but it turned out to be counterfeit, both a legitimate customer and a legitimate company are screwed, and then there is real, definite, unarguable, actually measurable profit loss there. That is unacceptable in any way. That is what should be punished, not simple consumer laziness.
You can't get cheaper than free.L33tsauce_Marty said:
So boycott their material. If you do not like the way a company does it's business, do not buy their product. I'm all for that.santaandy said:
What you are doing is buying their product, but not paying them for it.
Well the swashbuckling, rum chugging, high seas piracy would be too fun for me to pass up, but as for downloading music I don't know.
I don't see how sharing files over the internet is drastically different from lending a friend a CD so they can rip it, except you're lending it to a lot of people at once. Plus if I forked out for everything I'd watched in an online streaming or torrented I'd be typing this from an internet cafe before being shooed away for scaring the customers and returning with my change cup to my box shelter and hobo companion Stabby Steve.
I don't see how sharing files over the internet is drastically different from lending a friend a CD so they can rip it, except you're lending it to a lot of people at once. Plus if I forked out for everything I'd watched in an online streaming or torrented I'd be typing this from an internet cafe before being shooed away for scaring the customers and returning with my change cup to my box shelter and hobo companion Stabby Steve.
From another forum goer that worked at gamestop..
The company that makes the product are given 15$ for each game sold, the publisher gets 10$, and gamestop keeps all the profit after that. Which is why they push used games, which means they get to keep ALL of the money in the transaction.
Also bands don't lose money if you pirate.
If you support a band, see them while they are on-tour. Record companies basically do the advertising for the band, so if you already know the band..
The company that makes the product are given 15$ for each game sold, the publisher gets 10$, and gamestop keeps all the profit after that. Which is why they push used games, which means they get to keep ALL of the money in the transaction.
Also bands don't lose money if you pirate.
If you support a band, see them while they are on-tour. Record companies basically do the advertising for the band, so if you already know the band..
Thats the only time it should be considered a crime. When someone sells it, its a crime, if someone just gets it for free, its just like if I burn someone a copy of a CD, but I have the already purchased CD.Major_Sam said:
I think that people overreact to file sharing. I saw this one story a few months ago of a terminally ill girl who shared 10 songs to her friends and was sued for it.
Thats bullshit