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Virulain

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If you do it in order to gain profit then its wrong.If you download and you dont share or upload at a decent speed its wrong too.I only pirate music which is impossible to find here and games that are too old or too expensive to buy.
I support piracy as it is a perfect example of social sharing and giving, kinda like the first christian communities (not)
Any time you take someone's profit without paying them, you are profiting. You've gained something of value (no matter how small) and not repaid that value.

"Too expensive" isn't a good justification, either. Do you steal the Porsche because it's too expensive and you want it? Or do you buy the Toyota?

A company being profitable and its products being popular should not be equated with some sort of crime or sin which justifies anyone stealing from them. Moreover, theft DOES hurt us all as consumers. Sure, we have better distribution now; but at what price? DRM, increased scrutiny, ridiculous lawsuits--things that increase costs and decrease value not only for game consumers but I dare say to other people who have the temerity to use the internet.

Boo on us, who've pirated. Luckily, there's something all pirates can do: stop pirating. Lay down your eyepatch. Unscrew your gleaming hooks. Free your shoulder parrot.
 

ZerOmega

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Shades of grey, my friends. Shades of grey...

The real world is not always black and white. Sometimes it's okay, but other times you're borrowing without asking. If you're not going to buy the album, movie or game anyway, then no one is actually losing anything. If you really want to get the game, and you have the money for it, you should buy the real thing instead of downloading it.
Everything else falls into the middle ground.
No. It IS black and white. You are taking something without paying for it. Speaking as someone who owns and has owned intellectual property, I can tell you that any warm fuzzy feeling I may get from people wanting to read it/see it is MORE than offset by the notion that those same people feel I'm not entitled to any compensation for my work or their entertainment.

They can all go rot in a hole as far as I'm concerned.
Is... Is this a troll?

Now see here good sir, I'm not saying that you are not entitled for compensation of your work, but copying is not the same thing as taking. You're only losing the reward, not the product that you are selling. There's a difference in deffinition.

I'm not saying that it's compleatly allright. What I am saying, however, is that sometimes downloading stuff for free is acceptable. Sometimes the stuff you want isn't available for sale, or the means to buy it are inaccessable or that you don't possess the money in the first place.

I try to be neutral here. As I said, I don't think it's allright, but I still wouldn't throw people into jail for downloading few music albums.
 

Smudge91

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Ayyee i often go out to sea and raid some fair vessels with swash buckling clothes with an eye patch and parrot arrrr. Get some bullion.
edit: i thought i better add that i don't illegally download or file share with friends
 

Eternal_24

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I do it mainly with:
- Music which is difficult to get hold of (the only music store in my town is HMV and they mainly focus on pop, rap/hip-hop and whatever is in the charts so it's difficult to find what I'm looking for).

- Films (age restrictions are a ***** and there isn't a store in my town which specializes in films so I can only get hold of new releases in HMV which I never want to watch).

- Overpriced software which I NEED for college.

If I didn't have to pirate, I wouldn't. It's just that I'm a full time student so I really have no income other than EMA and nothing I want is available in my crappy town.
 

ThrobbingEgo

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Considering that I know people in creative sectors of the entertainment industry, no. I do not pirate nor think piracy is acceptable. If you don't want to spend the asking price on a creative work, you don't need it and aren't entitled to it. Someone spent a significant portion of their life producing that work and should be reimbursed accordingly.

I think people should be given the opportunity to create art and expression as their primary source of income. It means they can dedicate more time on their creative endeavors, instead of farming potatoes.
 

AWAR

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Virulain said:
AWAR said:
If you do it in order to gain profit then its wrong.If you download and you dont share or upload at a decent speed its wrong too.I only pirate music which is impossible to find here and games that are too old or too expensive to buy.
I support piracy as it is a perfect example of social sharing and giving, kinda like the first christian communities (not)
Any time you take someone's profit without paying them, you are profiting. You've gained something of value (no matter how small) and not repaid that value.

"Too expensive" isn't a good justification, either. Do you steal the Porsche because it's too expensive and you want it? Or do you buy the Toyota?

A company being profitable and its products being popular should not be equated with some sort of crime or sin which justifies anyone stealing from them. Moreover, theft DOES hurt us all as consumers. Sure, we have better distribution now; but at what price? DRM, increased scrutiny, ridiculous lawsuits--things that increase costs and decrease value not only for game consumers but I dare say to other people who have the temerity to use the internet.

Boo on us, who've pirated. Luckily, there's something all pirates can do: stop pirating. Lay down your eyepatch. Unscrew your gleaming hooks. Free your shoulder parrot.
Ok its simple, I'd rather see a company fat cat crying than my already empty wallet thinning.

And to all other things you mentioned (DRMs,Lawsuits e.t.c) thats why i support pirate parties. Besides companies went to far messing with our private lives.
So i say boo on all the people who support government's internet regulating programs and anti-social companies.
 

Xvito

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SimuLord said:
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3. (This is also in response to LordNue) The entire reason I downloaded GTAIV was to sample it and make sure it worked properly before I bought it. It would have defeated the point if I didn't buy it.
You can try and justify it all you like, the fact remains that knowing your specs is 99% of the PC gaming battle, and piracy is still borrowing (or outright taking) something without the permission of its owner, and it's still a crime.
Charging outstanding fees for something that is mediocre and has been done for years is a crime too..
Which is why I don't buy it. If it's such a crime, why does anyone feel it necessary to steal it? You want to play, you pay the price offered. You don't want to pay the price offered, you don't get to play. How freakin' hard is this for people to grasp?
Pirating isnt "stealing", it is sharing which is amazing..Whatever, this your opinion and you are entitled to it and blagh blagh blagh
It is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact. By what right do you "share" the material? Do you own the intellectual property rights to do so? Did you read the EULA? You are doing something which by law constitutes theft of intellectual property no matter how hard you try to justify it.
Okay... Then fuck the law...

Now what do you say?

Also, piracy is fine by me, I guess...
 

Therumancer

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I gave my usual answer that piracy is dumb. Simply put in todays world of viruses, spyware, identity theft, and other things it's not worth the risk. Even if you get away with it hundreds of times all it takes is once to render all that you gained irrelevent from the damage you can do.

Despite what the industy might say, I do not consider things like fansubbs of unreleased anime, abandonware, and similar things to be piracy. Such groups tend to operate openly and are quite good about releases and copyrights. I am less wary of dealing with them for that reason when I have the desire.

I also believe in people's right to get the version of a product they want. If for some reason a game or movie is released legally in your area in a censored format, I feel doing what you have to to obtain an uncensored version is not immoral and only the censored one you could buy should be off limits. In general though I recommend finding work arounds that put money in the hands of the creators before other possibilities. For example waaay back in the day when "The Witcher" was released censoered in the US, I simply bought an uncensored copy and had it imported. People akin to Michael Atkinson (every country has their versions today it seems) are making this increasingly harder to do however.

All of this said, this does not mean I agree with the industry much nowadays. Simply put it's become too corrupt and greedy. It refuses to fight censors, and engages in illegal and immoral practices like price fixing.

I'm a big supporter of the American idea of capitolism. The idea that your allowed to pursue as much profit as possible, but are supposed to do so within a competitive enviroment. Meaning that monopolies, and cartel behavior (price setting, etc..) are supposed to be illegal. Competition within an industry encouraging companies to release the best products they can at the lowest prices they can afford to compared to others. The best quality at the best price being the guys who dominate, this also encourages innovation toward achieving this goal.

Right now the game industry as a whole coordinates to set prices. A brand new triple A title with a half billion dollar development budget, goes for the same amount as a relatively fly by night company's product that was developed on a comparitive shoestring. What's more game companies will shuffle the release schedules around in coodination specifically to avoid titles having to compete with each other. For example when a big title like "Modern Warfare" has it's release date finalized, all the other companies push up their titles so as not to compete with it as opposed to everyone involved trying to undercut each other as much as possible to get as many sales as possibile within the time period.

This behavior only persists this way because the US goverment (and those with similar ideals) doesn't much care at the moment, and politicians only look at the game industry when it comes to content and ratings nowadays.

What game companies do nowadays is just as wrong and illegal as it is for gas companies (which the goverment investigates more seriously). The ironic thing is some of the statements I see here and there about the industy doing this or doing that are basically the business equivilent of a murderer standing there over a recently killed victim with a bloody axe in hand while the police just wave and say "hi" as they walk on drinking their coffee.

Despite how some of this might sound, I don't much care for piracy on principle. However I also dislike the people that are being victimized it in ever increasing ways. From where I sit, it basically seems like a bunch of gang bangers poaching the mafia. The industy taking a moral stance about piracy and such is a bloody joke. "Hey your illegally infringing on my illegally operating business and effectively stealing from what I stole!".

I might support the industry more despite things, if like in an old Mafia movie they occasionally came out as "Good bad guys" to protect neighborhoods against worse elements, defend the church, and feed some of the stuff back into the community or whatever. But like the real mafia as opposed to the fantasy version they don't care. Heck they don't even stand up to censors when it's also in their best interests because it's too much work and everyone would rather hope someone else eventually does it while Atkinson and his political equivilents throughout the world go on a Godzilla like rampage, trashing human rights in lieu of Tokyo.
 

WrongSprite

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LordNue said:
Malicious said:
Uhhh... lets just say that's for me to know and for you to wonder, and i do think its wrong....in a way...but a good way to get back at evil corporation developers who piss you off?
Ford pissed me off. Can I Steal a car?
I won't put myself on either side here, but let me point out that stealing is where you remove a copy, so the company actively loses something. If you fileshare, the original piece is just copied, and isn't lost.
 

WrongSprite

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LordNue said:
WrongSprite said:
LordNue said:
Malicious said:
Uhhh... lets just say that's for me to know and for you to wonder, and i do think its wrong....in a way...but a good way to get back at evil corporation developers who piss you off?
Ford pissed me off. Can I Steal a car?
I won't put myself on either side here, but let me point out that stealing is where you remove a copy, so the company actively loses something. If you fileshare, the original piece is just copied, and isn't lost.
They lose the profit that keeps them alive.
Right, because activision are barely keeping their heads above the water, right?

Most of the time you'll find that people who pirate things wouldn't buy the game otherwise, so they company doesn't lose out that much.
 

Kenjitsuka

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Leave the pirating to the good people of Puntland, Matey! Arrrrrrr!!!!

But seriously, who is afraid of being cought :O