serious debates about pokemon always make me feel like such a cool kidjboking said:You've forgotten that torterra's special defense is only average. Infernape's fire is strong against torterra. Torterra is slow, infernape is fast. Infernape goes first - uses fire blast - Torterra is down.kiyeshi said:torterra can take a hit from an infernape, he has ridiculous defense. after the infernape's mostly futile attack, the earthquake hits. and infernape goes down. but yeah, empoleons take a little more effort...jboking said:Empoleon doesn't go down with an earthquake and the only good type of Infernape is a fast Infernape. If you can hit him, someone has failed as a trainer.kiyeshi said:torterra's ground moves are good against empoleon and infernape. His high defenses make sure he can get an earthquake in.jboking said:I played all but the second generation twice, and in those playthroughs it wasn't who I choosed, but who I didn't. That namely being the grass type. I hate grass types, I really REALLY do. Empoleon in the new game is a beast, but can be annihilated by Infernapes fighting moves. Torterra, on the other hand, can likely be dominated by both of the other starters (Empoleon's ice and flying moves, Infernapes fire moves [duh])