Poll: Politicly Correct my A**

[Merkavar]

removing man or men from words is just stupid.

changing black sheep to outcast is stupid, it has nothing to do with black people etc its about most sheep being white and the black one is the odd one out.

kinda of like changing the name of black boards to chalk boards. the board is bloody black, how do you get offended by calling something what it is.

people need to drink a mug of concrete and harder the F up.

just because something is called black, white, man, or anything else doesnt mean its some sort of insult and should be changed. they are just words. how about instead of changing all these other words lets just change it so black people arent called black. easier to change one thing than everything else that just happens to be called black.

 

[Zechnophobe]

It's just the crazy, leftist subaru-hippies trying to infringe on our free speech.

yeah, they should be like the rightist and just try and enslave and kill, sigh, what is the world coming to

Or, like both, set up straw-men which they bash with smug abandon.

First, quoted due to its truth.

Second, Political correctness is something that should stay in politics. I have met no people who feel more self pity than those who are pitied heavily by society. We create moppets of humans, little dolls and tell them they are just as capable as someone who still has both their legs, or doesn't have an extra chromosome.

I don't think purposefully insulting people is okay, but identifying differences is something that should be rejoiced, it should be a freeing thing. Not something to be shunned, ignored, and swept under the carpet.

 

[Merkavar]

Only Example 5 seems to be what we're talking about (we're talking about speech) so I'll bite where exactly can you not say Merry Christmas?

yeah maybe its not in australia yet cause i havent found anywhere that people stop me from saying merry christmas. and even if they did i wouldnt care because its would be christmas time and that is the greeting for that time.

you cant tell me what not to say, i roll with 8 gangs.

 

[Serenegoose]

Attacking the people who make an argument isn't much of a counter-argument.

It wasn't a counter argument. It was me stating that these people are not qualified to talk about the situation as they lack experience on the matter. They can give their opinion but it carries no weight. Sorry, but thems the breaks. In return they generally get to have a fairly peaceful life where they're not constantly on guard whenever they walk out the door.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Read this then stop with the 'yeah well all you guys do X therefore you're probably wrong' it makes you look incapable of debate.

That's not an ad hominem attack. It's an observation. I've never heard this attack on 'political correctness' from people who actually suffer from discriminatory attacks. It's always from the people who want to bluster about how it's gone mad and is somehow theoretically impugning their rights to call people names.

And yet none of that makes them wrong.

Then take my place. You be the one who has to fear for her life, you be the one who secretly dreads watching TV because you know that even your relaxation time is going to be mocked. You be the one who is scared to speak on online games because you know the mockery that awaits the moment anybody hears your voice. You walk a mile in my shoes before you sit on your high horse and talk about principles. You do that - you live my life and you'll have a point. Until then, enjoy your privilege and be thankful society doesn't shit on you whenever it can. I do not consent to suffer for your principles.

 

[Merkavar]

Only Example 5 seems to be what we're talking about (we're talking about speech) so I'll bite where exactly can you not say Merry Christmas?

yeah maybe its not in australia yet cause i havent found anywhere that people stop me from saying merry christmas. and even if they did i wouldnt care because its would be christmas time and that is the greeting for that time.

you cant tell me what not to say, i roll with 8 gangs.

Your last line, is that a Stupid Mario Brothers reference?

not sure. its atleast a south park reference. but i heard it somewhere before southpark.

 

[Kortney]

This matters why? Are you trying to imply I participate in discrimination or are you suggesting that "I just don't know what it's like" and that the minute I do I'll instantly agree with you? Oh and I edited it out because I need some time to think over how much I agree with him.

No, I'm saying your perspective on the whole issue is utterly warped because you aren't a minority. Political correctness protects minorities and stops them being offended.

They don't care about being hurtful they care about dirty looks from others.

What?

Not sure where you live but over here if they called you a sand ****** there's not a whole lot you can do about it.

And? My point is political correctness makes these things disappear. In the past television shows openly used the word ****** and spread racist values across society. Now they can't because of political correctness.

Not calling you ****** spic, wop etc. is considered basic politeness.

You're obviously completely ignorant of 1950s society then.

A few decades ago television shows, politicians and people in day to day life able to call black people niggers and paste ethnic slurs all over society. Now they can't. Political correctness has a lot to do with that - that's a fact.

 

[Serenegoose]

You don't have to be persecuted to experience the effects of PC.

Yes. You do. You don't have to be a physicist to comment on string theory but it takes your opinion from worthless to worthwhile.

No, that's you trying to rig the argument in your favor.

See above. You can't comment on what you've not experienced.

Oh poor dear, I take it you would never insult tons of people you've never met.

They want their cake and eat it. They act like children. They want to say what they want but they want the consequences to hit someone else. When they stop acting like children, I'll stop calling them children.

Never mind. You want to insult a ton of people then hide behind 'poor wittle me' when it doesn't work? You're pathetic.

Woah woah - did you just become a great big ol' hypocrite? Ya did! Looks like you're incapable of reasoned debate. Sorry!

Hate to break it to you but you being insulted and discriminated against doesn't suddenly make you more enlightened then everyone else.

It kinda does when we're talking about forms of discrimination. I mean, I've first hand experience in it. Tons of the stuff. I know my discriminatory shit, as it were. But carry on, tell me about how I know nothing about this political correctness nonsense, how your non-experience totally outweighs my years of discrimination and abuse.

 

[Double A]

Freedom of speech is idiotic. Political correctness, equally so.
Words can hurt, and should be moderated, if only by common sense. There is nothing to be gained by giving people the right to slander or make inflammatory remarks.
On the other hand, the government has no right or purpose whatsoever to dictate right and wrong in any context, including words and opinions.
The more we care about the use of a word like black, the more we emphasise the difference between white and black people. The more we emphasise it, the more we talk about groups, rather than individuals.

Also, fat people deserve it. Like alcoholics.

How is freedom of speech idiotic?

Also, I'm fat. I really don't care what you call me, as long it's not in-my-face every time you see me. I'm not offended by words, I'm offended by people who are more annoying a freaking Uwe Bowl movie.

 

[RN7]

Partially. Mostly no, considering half the insults and descriptive language I use would be "politically incorrect".

 

[Kortney]

Wouldn't there's also be warped?

I hate doing this (as English is not even my second language and I understand how difficult it is) but you really need to get a grasp on the difference between theirs and there's. It makes your writing confusing to read.

They aren't trying to be unoffensive to blacks or whoever they are just trying to not get dirty looks/nasty comments from others.

That's because political correctness has ingrained itself in our culture and people now disapprove of racial slurs. Forty years ago they hadn't.

I think you have a broader definition of political correctness than I do.

Political correctness was a major part in calling black people in the USA "African Americans" instead of "Niggers".

I was speaking strictly of modern times (and now that I think about it that's only true in some parts of today).

Well, my point still stands. You are completely ignoring the decades of positive change political correctness has made. Like I said earlier, you can't call black people niggers in the media anymore. You can't run election campaigns with the slogan "if you want a ****** for a neighbour, vote labour". You can't refuse to hire someone simply because of the colour of their skin or the country they come from. This is all because of political correctness. It's not "politeness" because fifty years ago you were able to do all those things. Are you suggesting people today are more polite than people in the past? So am I. Why are they? Political correctness.

 

[Serenegoose]

Nope, PC is a way everyone is expected to behave therefore it effects everyone.

And people apparently proclaim that 'not using totally offensive language' is perfectly OK and expect to be sanctioned for it, and then when people say 'uh, no, you can't call people shit without being considered a total ass' they pull examples out like 'omg christmas is banned' or 'you can't say brainstorm without offending epileptics' and then 15 other nodding heads go 'hurbledurble it's PC gone maaaaad!' and all nod to themselves about how they're the last bastion of common bloody sense. It happens in EVERY THREAD. Gods, just look at this one!

"They make blanket statements about women all the time so I'm going to make blanket statement about everyone who hates PC and claim I have the moral highground." What a hypocrite. Unless you have a poll or some such all your statements about "everyone on the other side of this debate is evil" is fallacious and stupid.

Everyone is evil? And I'm the one strawmanning? I'm not saying they're evil, I'm saying their approach to the matter is childish and wrong.

Did I ever insult someone I haven't talked to? No.
Did I make sweeping generalizations and other fallacies? No.

Ad hominems are insulting people, not the argument. You called me pathetic, that's an ad hominem, you're a hypocrite. And you're apparently making sweeping generalisations of my position too, so notch that up as well.

Holy shit strawmen. Fuck, keep it up and I'll have enough for logical fallacy bingo.

You came in here whining about how you were insulted all the time and how everyone who dislikes political correctness must be a bigoted self-serving child.

Whining. Yeah, that's what I was doing. Just like you're whining that I'm still here disagreeing with you. Treat the person you're talking to with a little more respect and maybe you'll get some in turn. And you know, I'll revise my opinion on people who moan about political correctness when I see one that isn't a self-serving child. Not all of them are bigoted, most of them are just misinformed about the myriad benefits political correctness has actually brought to everyone who isn't white and male.