That's internet tough guy talk, the only person in this thread that actually has any experience with this subject is probably the ex-bouncer.cuddly_tomato said:
Poll: Poll: Shall we allow deadly force on a burgular?
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Yep. I go along with that.Serge A. Storms said:
I am not saying that people should not defend themselves, or that if, during the course of defending themselves, people kill the intruders. I just think that people should not have carte blanche to maim and kill people who break into their homes. If you look at what happened in this case, the guy who attacked these burglars was an even bigger danger to public safety than they were.
As far as a burglar not being a threat to your life, or only posing a threat equivalent to a dangerous person on the street or in a car, that's as empty as an argument can get. A person in your house has already proven that they are willing to break the law and invade your home for personal benefit, relying on his good will should you come in contact with him hardly seems like the safest possible route a homeowner could take. Incapacitating (and possibly killing) a burglar with a gun is preferable to being defenseless against an intruder because it's the safest thing a person can do, just like the safest thing a person can do with a drunk driver is avoid them.
The idea that because a burglar is likely to attack you just because he's trespassing in your home is just a slippery slope logical fallacy. A man who lets his dog foul the pavement has proven he is willing to break the law, it doesn't mean he is itching to cave in someone's skull with a sledgehammer.
Whether the burglar intends to attack you when he breaks in isn't the issue. Death and injury that comes as a result of a break-in are usually the result of the homeowners and/or intruder panicking, as neither the homeowners nor the burglars know if the other is armed or if they're willing to attack.Agema said:
lol, I live in America.... in Colorado to be precise and in Colorado we have a law, called the "make my day" law that states that if they are on your property you can kill them.
We used to make jokes when the law was new that if you wanted to kill someone at your door just make sure the body fell inside the house... lol, but that got old after a while, now only tourists make that joke.
We used to make jokes when the law was new that if you wanted to kill someone at your door just make sure the body fell inside the house... lol, but that got old after a while, now only tourists make that joke.
He killed the scumbag in self-defense. Just because the "Crown Prosecution Service" thinks that was "excessive" doesn't mean it was. It should take a lot more than some dramatic words to convince a sane, law-abiding human being that the victim who simply defended himself was somehow at fault here...pimppeter2 said:
Most of the people who say they shoot someone for breaking into there house I ask you a question. Do you just pull the trigger without saying anything to them??
You have a motherfucking gun pointed at them. There is no reason why you cant open your mouth and yell something along the lines of "Put your hands up!" then you have time to assess if they are a threat to you or your family. And if they run let em I doubt they be back (maybe fire a few shots in the air).
You have a motherfucking gun pointed at them. There is no reason why you cant open your mouth and yell something along the lines of "Put your hands up!" then you have time to assess if they are a threat to you or your family. And if they run let em I doubt they be back (maybe fire a few shots in the air).
Depends. If I can tell that they're armed, I'd shoot first and ask questions never. If I'm not sure, I'd tell them to not move... and if they move, shoot without a second thought. Even if they're running away I'd try to hit them in the legs, just my little way of saying thanks for invading my home and attempting to steal my hard-earned possessions.Overlord2702 said:
If your life is in danger and the only option is to kill them first, then Yes, it is acceptable.
Your definition of "most burglars" is flawed, because you don't know the first damn thing about burglars.Avykins said:
That's quite a leap from defending your property to commiting crimes yourself.You might get a 7.6 from the german judge.Avykins said:
And how are you to know you're being directly threatened? Before or after they pull a weapon?Avykins said:
Yes, and that's why police officers use them when someone breaks into their homes. Oh wait, cops just shoot them, nevermind.Avykins said:
Broad, sweeping generalizations about people, the circle of stupid is complete.Avykins said:
No, if he's (apparently)unarmed, or has a knife i'll yell "GTFO of my house you piece of sh*t" if he dosen't do so in the next 4.5 seconds then all bets are off.I would not shoot someone running away, i would not shoot someone putting his hands up, but i'd damn sure shoot someone coming at me or putting his hands in his pockets (in a burglary scenario i mean).And if i shot a burglar, i'd damn sure call an ambulance... The point isn't to kill him, it's to avoid any damage to me or my family.If he has a gun though (out and ready to use) i'll level mine center mass and while cocking the gun tell him to drop it and GTFO, he probably has around 3 seconds to do so, the fuse is shorter if the danger is greater.Overlord2702 said:
Some people see the world with too many rainbow and unicorns, i see no reason whatsoever to give a burglar (a *proven* criminal) the benefit of the doubt and the first move.As for the one comparing burglary to walking the dog or some other stuff, really ? you see no difference between a very minor misdemeanor and forced entry into someone's home ?
I worked hard for everything i've got, i see no reason to give it up out of...what ? compassion for the poor-burglar-who-maybe-can't-eat-and-is-really-a-good-person-deep-down.
Edit : also as for the "it means if the burglar is female you can rape her?" exagerate much ? I'M not the one who went out of my way to look for trouble.
