Poll: Portal Phrase Turned into Atheist Metaphor

[Kubanator]

It should not be necessary. You know that there are a lot of religious people here, or you can at least assume as such, then you call them all irrational. A combination of manners and common sense would have indicated that this was not the right thing to do.

Telling people that their ideas based off of no evidence was illogical?

It isn't me you have offended, but I know many who will have been pissed at that. The thing is - they really shouldn't need to explain why. Common sense... manners...

Common sense means you can't express why not, manner means that's the way it's always been. Not rational.

Not bullying, I am trying to explain to you that you have a problem. If you were to approach this whole thing tactfully, with consideration for other human beings who might read your words and be offended by them, you wouldn't be saying the things you do.

I had a physch test when I was 7. Did not mention anything about this. Same with when I was 13. The closest I got was near ADHD in the first one, along with some other stuff which makes me sound like a pompous douche. Trying to diagnose someone on the internet without doing some sort of test with some sort of control, is a sham, and is pretty much an excuse to insult people.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

It should not be necessary. You know that there are a lot of religious people here, or you can at least assume as such, then you call them all irrational. A combination of manners and common sense would have indicated that this was not the right thing to do.

Telling people that their ideas based off of no evidence was illogical?

No. Telling people their creed and culture, and by extension they, are irrational, was rude and insulting. Do you really not get that?

It isn't me you have offended, but I know many who will have been pissed at that. The thing is - they really shouldn't need to explain why. Common sense... manners...

Common sense means you can't express why not, manner means that's the way it's always been. Not rational.

No. Common sense means "use your brains before you decide to post something" and manners means "Don't behave like a dick towards other people simply because you disagree with them".

Not bullying, I am trying to explain to you that you have a problem. If you were to approach this whole thing tactfully, with consideration for other human beings who might read your words and be offended by them, you wouldn't be saying the things you do.

I had a physch test when I was 7. Did not mention anything about this. Same with when I was 13. Trying to diagnose someone on the internet without doing some sort of test with some sort of control, is a sham, and is pretty much an excuse to insult people.

The test is your forum posts. The evidence, points towards someone who doesn't care who he offends in the process of giving his edicts about religion being completely false because he doesn't agree with it. You establish your narcism in 2 ways:-

1. You refuse to acknowledge any possibility that you might be wrong.

and

2. You have no empathy towards those people who don't share your point of view.

 

[Kinguendo]

Thats bullsh*t and you know it is, there is absolutely NO evidence for any "God" ever mentioned ever... its is not statistically more likely that any of those "Gods" exist.

And there's absolutely no evidence that he doesn't. I just explained the logic side of it.

How would you know morality pre-dates religion? That not how evolution works. Morals aren't "Hey don't kill things". Animals don't have morals and holy crap, look how many of them there are!

Thats ridiculous... the burden of proof is upon the religious community to prove their points.

Heard of universal morality? One that applies to all human beings? If we werent moral we would commit evil and unjust acts such as murdering everything we saw... Now, go back to the dawn of man... do you think they all murdered eachother when they saw one another? No... clearly they didnt or we wouldnt be here. We are living proof that early man had morality. I am not saying they were as moral as we (generally) are today but they did have morality.

Also, it has been found that non-human animals do have basic morals or a close anticipation.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Thats ridiculous... the burden of proof is upon the religious community to prove their points.

They only have that burden of proof if they try to shove religion down your throat.

If you try to shove atheism down their throat the burden of proof is on your side.

 

[Kubanator]

No. Telling people their creed and culture, and by extension they, are irrational. Do you really not get that?

So doing something out of habit without reason is rational?

No. Common sense means "use your brains before you decide to post something" and manners means "Don't behave like a dick towards other people simply because you disagree with them"

Irony.

Also, is it "dickish" to be honest? And wouldn't using your brain entail listening to evidence and evidence only? Kind of destroys religion.

The test is your forum posts. The evidence, points towards someone who doesn't care who he offends in the process of giving his edicts about religion being completely false because he doesn't agree with it. You establish your narcism in 2 ways:-

1. You refuse to acknowledge any possibility that you might be wrong.

and

2. You have no empathy towards those people who don't share your point of view.

I accept that I may be wrong. I never said there was no god. I said that belief in a god without evidence is illogical. If evidence were to crop up, my position would change.

Yes, I'm apathetic. I don't care if you're mad because I pointed out an honest truth. There is no rationality to religion. If there was, it would be a science, not a faith. And I don't think you can draw that conclusion if I haven't shown empathy to people who agree with my position.

 

[Kuchinawa212]

I always thought of it three ways: Liar, Loony, or Lord. Either it's all a lie and we've been fooled all this time. A few people that were messed up in the head and wrote it all down and thought it was real. Or it is real and we praise him as our lord.

See simple XD

I think you mean C.S. Lewis thought about it that way

oh, well yes. After hearing is that's just the way I always went about thinking. I didn't mean to make it sound like my idea or anything...

 

[Kubanator]

Read what Leodiensian said. Morality evolved from pragmatism. Early people did go around murdering each other. WE STILL DO. A lack of morals wouldn't make us murder everyone we saw. A lack of morals would make us use everyone we saw for our own gain with no respect or consideration. I don't think mosquitoes have a moral concience, either. They still exist. Universal morality is a way of looking at the world, not a hard proof of existance.

You could also argue that working together is more efficient than fighting each other, so man built up a religion to scare people into following it.

 

[Kinguendo]

Thats ridiculous... the burden of proof is upon the religious community to prove their points.

They only have that burden of proof if they try to shove religion down your throat.

If you try to shove atheism down their throat the burden of proof is on your side.

It isnt a saloon door. The door is locked and if you want to open it you better have the key.

The point being all religious people are forced their beliefs, a baby doesnt believe in "God"... But people still make the choice for it.

Also, Atheism isnt getting in the way of things as religions are... people dont do things in the name of Atheism, they dont ban condoms in the name of Atheism and teach abstinance instead of safe sex in the name of Atheism... for something to have such power it must be proven... and yet you think I have to prove this thing doesnt exist before these people stop being d*cks?

 

[Kubanator]

It isnt a saloon door. The door is locked and if you want to open it you better have the key.

I don't get it. But ok.

The point being all religious people are forced their beliefs, a baby doesnt believe in "God"... But people still make the choice for it.

Mostly true. Very few people are born atheistic, as most religious parent will force their religion down on the child.

Also, Atheism isn't getting in the way of things as religions are... people don't do things in the name of Atheism, they don't ban condoms in the name of Atheism and teach abstinence instead of safe sex in the name of Atheism... for something to have such power it must be proven... and yet you think I have to prove this thing doesn't exist before these people stop being d*cks?

True but that's not the mistake of religion, that's the mistake of the people giving religion power where it shouldn't have power. It's the mistake of people asking God for answers when they should use logic.

 

[Kinguendo]

Thats ridiculous... the burden of proof is upon the religious community to prove their points.

Heard of universal morality? One that applies to all human beings? If we werent moral we would commit evil and unjust acts such as murdering everything we saw... Now, go back to the dawn of man... do you think they all murdered eachother when they saw one another? No... clearly they didnt or we wouldnt be here. We are living proof that early man had morality. I am not saying they were as moral as we (generally) are today but they did have morality.

Also, it has been found that non-human animals do have basic morals or a close anticipation.

Read what Leodiensian said. Morality evolved from pragmatism. Early people did go around murdering each other. WE STILL DO. A lack of morals wouldn't make us murder everyone we saw. A lack of morals would make us use everyone we saw for our own gain with no respect or consideration. I don't think mosquitoes have a moral concience, either. They still exist. Universal morality is a way of looking at the world, not a hard proof of existance.

Please, just stop trying to say that religion conceived morality... morality as you know it isnt a constant its relative and by religious standards it was once moral to kill homosexual people... would you say that is moral now? No, of course you woudlnt. Like I said, morality is relative.

 

[Snowalker]

Well, You know, the thing I've been utterly confused about is why atheist have such a drive against theist people, wheres your benefit? Well, I've also wondered the same about christian, because sure the bible wants you to save people, it also wants you to be understanding, you know, teach by example method. So, honestly when you but these two kinds of people, should they just act like normal people, you know, rather calmly. But no, they start going batshit. So, I guess people just like fighting and being ignorant for the fun of it. I say we rise above our religions (or there lack of) and just be people. Most religious wants quiet, clam, nice, good people. Not protestors screamin "Christ is King!" I'm an open christian, that is how I feel, my people make me ashamed.

And this will be my last post for a while, seeing as how all the religion threads are making a comeback, I try to hid in my Anti-Religion Thread Safe House (A.R.T.S.H) untill they blow over, anyone wanna come with me?

 

[Kinguendo]

It isnt a saloon door. The door is locked and if you want to open it you better have the key.

I don't get it. But ok.

The point being all religious people are forced their beliefs, a baby doesnt believe in "God"... But people still make the choice for it.

Mostly true. Very few people are born atheistic, as most religious parent will force their religion down on the child.

Also, Atheism isn't getting in the way of things as religions are... people don't do things in the name of Atheism, they don't ban condoms in the name of Atheism and teach abstinence instead of safe sex in the name of Atheism... for something to have such power it must be proven... and yet you think I have to prove this thing doesn't exist before these people stop being d*cks?

True but that's not the mistake of religion, that's the mistake of the people giving religion power where it shouldn't have power. It's the mistake of people asking God for answers when they should use logic.

Yes, they should... but that IS the mistake of religion. Whats the first rule of any religion? You better not question this religion.

 

[RagingScottsman]

I voted 'no' simply because if there is a God he shall smite you for not letting that line die.

 

[Leodiensian]

I voted 'no' simply because if there is a God he shall smite you for not letting that line die.

If there is, and if he would, he would have already surely?

 

[Typecast]

Glados kept the cake for herself. Think about that
Actually, since this is a (haha) metaphorical thread, you could see 'the cake is a lie' as a test of faith. The entire portal journey smacks of one of those religious storys about a prophet who is tested by their god but fails to grasp at the end that the cake is not a lie, but does exist, and you can't have any(either through your lack of faith, or because Glados doesn't want to share).
Ahh Glados, she rubs that soft spot in my soul for malevolent trickster gods

 

[Leodiensian]

Ahh Glados, she rubs that soft spot in my soul for malevolent trickster gods

Hey now, not ALL trickster figures are malevolent and the ones that are aren't all the time! Selfish, fine, but we generally profit from their shenanigans. If you haven't read it already, I strongly recommend the book "Trickster Makes The World". It's a really good study of trickster-figures from across world mythology, with an eye towards common themes, ideals and effects to their stories.

 

[Smokeydubbs]

If you look at it like that, then can't "cake" be used for any noun that could be considered a lie?