Poll: Portal Phrase Turned into Atheist Metaphor

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Internet Kraken

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atol said:
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You could put about anything in for "cake", and it will make no more sense or no less sense.
These are my thoughts:
Religious people can't prove their religion.
Atheists can't prove Atheism.
Now, let's just respect other people's opinions and go about our merry lives, without trying to convince people you are right and they are wrong. okay?
1) The world is founded on religion and its absurdities. No atheist can avoid religious law.
2) Religion causes hatred and murder to this day. Why should an atheist respect that?
This is why we can't have nice things.

Whenever there is a thread even remotely related to religion, it will almost always lead to these questions being asked. Which leads to a flame war. Which leads to people getting probations, suspensions, and bans. Why do you want that?
 

The_Echo

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In response to the poll: No.

The cake transcends all logic.

By the way, it's not really a Portal phrase. Fans made it up.

Never mind.
 

benylor

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If you keep your belief to yourself, I'll respect it. If you air your belief - make it known, but still act within the boundaries of what a reasonable person is expected to act - I may argue with your ideas but I'll respect it regardless and I won't try to change anything. If you act according to your beliefs in a manner that goes against how a reasonable person should act, then I no longer respect your beliefs, as you are no longer respecting mine.

It's the civil libertarian's ideology. Each person is to be free to do anything that does not impinge on another person's freedom.
 

AdmiralMemo

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Internet Kraken said:
This is why we can't have nice things.

Whenever there is a thread even remotely related to religion, it will almost always lead to these questions being asked. Which leads to a flame war. Which leads to people getting probations, suspensions, and bans. Why do you want that?
Because perhaps he's an optimist and thinks that the last time that happened, all the idiots got the boot and all the rest of the people here that are left are nice and respectable and can discuss things civilly?
 

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Shouldnt you be focusing on school work? Unless you are there to waste time thinking about things about video games...in that case go nuts.
Answer me this: what is more important, intellectual pursuit or slaving away for marks that really don't mean anything in the end?
 

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EcoEclipse said:
By the way, it's not really a Portal phrase. Fans made it up.
Yes it is. It's on the walls in the "Ratman" parts of the levels. Didn't you ever go behind the white walls in the turret level? You can move those boxes wedging the plate open, you know.
 

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This has to be the stupidest way to tie atheism into video games I've ever seen. And that is an accomplishment.
 

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EcoEclipse said:
In response to the poll: No.

The cake transcends all logic.

By the way, it's not really a Portal phrase. Fans made it up.
Oh really? http://granades.com/images/2007/Oct/portal-cake-is-a-lie.jpg
 

AdmiralMemo

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benylor said:
If you keep your belief to yourself, I'll respect it. If you air your belief - make it known, but still act within the boundaries of what a reasonable person is expected to act - I may argue with your ideas but I'll respect it regardless and I won't try to change anything. If you act according to your beliefs in a manner that goes against how a reasonable person should act, then I no longer respect your beliefs, as you are no longer respecting mine.

It's the civil libertarian's ideology. Each person is to be free to do anything that does not impinge on another person's freedom.
To quote an old axiom: "Your rights end at my nose."
 

chantzzzzz

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It's an interesting analogy. I'm going to have to remember that one. The cake as a motivator works really well, considering the context of the game. It's a driving factor that is supposed to motivate the player to see the tests through to the end. You don't know if it exists or not, just told by someone that it does, and you have to go on faith that it will be at the end of it all, waiting for you.

To me, I see religion as playing a very similar function. Having no chosen religion personally, I can't say I speak from experience, but rather from observation of the people around me. Many people use the motivation that there is a higher power at the end of life to act as a reward for their hard work and dedication. Personally, I'd disregarding the fact that we do, in fact, see a cake in the ending cinematic. That's beside the point that I believe is trying to be proven.

Whether or not the cake exists is irrelevant; it's more of how it acts as a motivation throughout the game I think. As for the other applications, they may work also. I think it's a bit petty to try to make that kind of trivial argument, though. Most metaphors are applicable to more than one situation. That's kind of their nature.

As for you, Wheeeee, that's kind of a nasty thing to say, isn't it? What you're saying is that instead of being insightful, we should just go back to watching TV or putting other people down. If you aren't going to be constructive, find another topic that you can post on.
 

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Zeroththeking said:
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But in Portal, the cake wasn't a lie. You see the cake at the end of the game. So comparing the cake to the bible suggests that the bible is not a lie.
Interesting point. Was the cake ever given? Was there ever a picture of cake? An actual video picture taken of the cake so that Chell could see it? Its a metaphor, for the both of them are that much the same. Im not saying anything its a lie, im proposing a theory off of Portal, and proposing how much free time I have.
Yes. Not visual proof, and I'm not the original poster, but I've proved the cake isn't a lie.

Yes, you do see it at the end, and right, you never get to actually eat it.

After the third or so level, GLaDOS states "I'm sorry, I will stop fabricating the truth." Therefore, when she promised you cake, she was not lying.
People argue that the fire pit at the end was on purpose, but GLaDOS did say that the fire was a test. Maybe if there was no fire, you'd get down the ride and open the doors on the other side of the fire, there will be your cake. After all, GLaDOS did keep wanting you to come back.

Also, using No Clip, you can get to the cake room.
 

MrSnugglesworth

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I won't lie, TLDR.


But I skimmed and saw "The Bible is a Lie"


How is the Bible a Lie? I'm pretty sure it exists. It, as a story, is a good read. (Thats right. I read the fucking bible)

I guess Religion could be Lie, but once again. It may be wrong, but they aren't lying.


So unless I missed something big, your arguement seems to be moot.
 

Internet Kraken

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AdmiralMemo said:
Internet Kraken said:
This is why we can't have nice things.

Whenever there is a thread even remotely related to religion, it will almost always lead to these questions being asked. Which leads to a flame war. Which leads to people getting probations, suspensions, and bans. Why do you want that?
Because perhaps he's an optimist and thinks that the last time that happened, all the idiots got the boot and all the rest of the people here that are left are nice and respectable and can discuss things civilly?
But that's the thing about a flame war. When you have a flame war, the nice and respectable people start turning into assholes.
 

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Internet Kraken said:
Zeroththeking said:
Internet Kraken said:
But in Portal, the cake wasn't a lie. You see the cake at the end of the game. So comparing the cake to the bible suggests that the bible is not a lie.
Interesting point. Was the cake ever given? Was there ever a picture of cake? An actual video picture taken of the cake so that Chell could see it? Its a metaphor, for the both of them are that much the same. Im not saying anything its a lie, im proposing a theory off of Portal, and proposing how much free time I have.
Yes, there was a cake. Just because Chell didn't see the cake doesn't mean it didn't exist. But that's another reason why your comparison makes no sense. Up until the end of the game the player doesn't think the cake is real because you never see it. But we all know the Bible is real. We've all seen the Bible.
You have a very good point here. If anything, Portal and the Cake support the idea of an unseen higher power that we cannot see or prove exists, and "The Cake is a Lie" writings on the wall are symbolic of atheism. Leaving the place alive and going out into the world with a nice, clear blue sky could be viewed as heaven. This is all, of course, just bullshit, as it's not meant to symbolize anything, but I'm just going with the flow, here.

Sorry, OP, but Internet Kraken here basically blew your theory to shreds.
 

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Zeroththeking said:
Wheeeee said:
As my Jessie would say if she knew you, Zeroththeking, "You think too much. Shut up."
I am supposed to shut up for thinking outside the box? Shows Jessie's maturity, and apparently yours. An atheist would say that you must be religious.
Like you, I think a lot about stuff and why people do things. When I share thoughts with Jessie, she usually says "You think too much. Shut up." Meaning, stop thinking of things that have little importance to the here and now. Do your thoughts have logic? Maybe. But what importance do they hold? I think none. Simply because there will always be religion as there will always atheists. And besides, if you have to think of how "The Cake is a lie." is metaphor for atheists, you have time to think about more important stuff. I should know. Thus, "You think too much. Shut up." And if you must know, we're atheists. But I know why religious people believe in their god despite what is going on in the world. I spent a good amount time thinking about that. What I can't figure out, is why some atheists feel the need to disprove the existence of god despite that there is no way to disprove his existence. Maybe I need more time with those thoughts.
 

Xanadu84

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Name a storyline of any sort that couldn't be turned into a metaphor for religion.

If it's a useful way to think about it, more power to you. Metaphors are essentially the deepest, most fundamental essence of human understanding. Just remember that your analogy is vague enough that it's not intentional, nor very reliable. You are imposing your own beliefs onto the game. Not that that's bad. It's just not very generalizable to other people.
 

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AdmiralMemo said:
Internet Kraken said:
This is why we can't have nice things.

Whenever there is a thread even remotely related to religion, it will almost always lead to these questions being asked. Which leads to a flame war. Which leads to people getting probations, suspensions, and bans. Why do you want that?
Because perhaps he's an optimist and thinks that the last time that happened, all the idiots got the boot and all the rest of the people here that are left are nice and respectable and can discuss things civilly?

That's a good one.

On topic: yeesh, that's one hum-dinger of an OP. After reading through that, my head hurts.
I voted no. To be honest, I don't understand what you were going for here.
 

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Lord_Ascendant said:
agnosticism is saying "We'll find out eventually" Atheism is saying there is something there to deny. Thus Atheists do believe in God. I blow your mind? If there was nothing to refute, then Atheists wouldn't exist they would just be people.

/bows
Atheists are just people... the very fact we have to announce our lack of belief in any "God" is a shame but thats the game we play. People believe in Peter Pan, Santa Claus, Jesus Christ and Flying Carbohydrate Monsters... I dont...

After all, everyone is Atheist... I just happen to believe in one less "God" than you.

Also, come on... the defenition of Atheism ISNT "Denying the existance of any Deity", so no... you didnt blow my mind, you made it blatantly clear you are one of three things... possibly all:

1) So bias that you will actively change the facts to suit your needs.

2) Ignorant of definitions, yet still willing to tell everyone about it.

3) Trolling... hard.

Good day.