Poll: Portal Phrase Turned into Atheist Metaphor
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I believe that makes it "philosophy".Valiance said:
There are multiple types of atheism, as mentioned previously. One of the more simple divisions you can make is between 'weak atheism' (the absence of belief in a god/gods) and 'strong atheism' (making the concious assertion that there is no god/gods). I'd advise you read a little more around the area before making such broad, sweeping comments.Kubanator said:
Yeah, after all it said Christopher Hitchens after the quote... its called "reading".cuddly_tomato said:
Also, nice... a baseless assumption. I have absolutely no interest in his brother. I wasnt even aware his brother existed before you said so, I am not the mans number one fan... wouldnt even say I was in his fan club.
Then you're looking at the effects of a story. The format doesn't matter, what matters who made it. If people made it, then you're going by what people made a long time ago, passing it off as fact, and then studying the effects of it. Theologists mostly spend their time looking at scientific theories trying to find out a way to integrate god into them anyways, they've had 2000 years with the Bible, they've exhausted it.teh_pwning_dude said:
Religion is all about faith. Chell had faith in that the cake existed and wasn't a lie, and in the end was rewarded for her faith in that she left Aperture Science for a better place. If Portal is meant to be compared to religion, then you have it the wrong way around. "The cake is a lie" isn't meant to ridicule the idea of religion, but rather strengthen the ideas of perseverance and faith, two very important parts of religion and human spirituality.
No interest? Well when one quotes either of the Hitchens they are basically quoting what is essentially a snarky little spat between the two brothers. There are some very good reasons to not believe in any form of god. There are some excellent reasons to denounce organized religion and condemn people who try to aggressively push their own religious beliefs and morals onto other people. But nothing Hitchens, either Hitchens, say come under that.Evil Jak said:
Nobody in this thread has asked you to believe anything or to say that any god exists, or indeed to refrain from saying you are an atheist who doesn't believe in god.
What people are saying is that there is a huge difference between:-
"I do not believe in god."
And:-
"God is a fairy story, and religious people are backward."
The first is absolutely fine, and is something I agree with.
The second is provably wrong.
[CITATION NEEDED]Kubanator said:
Huh. I never thought of it as such, but your logic makes sense.
Now whenever says, "the cake is a lie", I can accuse them of being an athetist.
Now whenever says, "the cake is a lie", I can accuse them of being an athetist.
Let's assume that Chell = humanity, GlaDos = God and Cake = Heaven.gerrymander61 said:
We assume she initially had faith in the promises of cake by GlaDos. She went through all the tests she was prescribed. Then she turned AGAINT GlaDos when it is revealed GlaDos is insane trying to kill her in the same way it is implied she killed all of Aperture Science. Chell even goes so far as to KILL GlaDos (possibly giving Neitszche something to think about) and then gets a 'reward' far DIFFERENT from the one she was promised. A reward she couldn't have gotten without metaphorically killing God - being set free from the lab and released into the 'real world'.
Remember, at the end when we finally see the cake, it is implied that it is a trap. (The pincher comes down) And even then, the cake recipe (you do hear it, but it can be easily missed, I recommend you look for it on YouTube) would produce something utterly inedible and probably toxic.
"The Cake Is A Lie" means just that; the promise of a reward is in fact nothing more than a false motivator by an ultimately insane overlord that must be overthrown and destroyed in order for true liberation.
But hey, that's just my theory.
You can find it for much less than that. Around here, you can find them in the local dollar stores (for a dollar, of course). Or you can go to almost any hospital, hotel, or motel and open the drawer in your room. The Gideons place Bibles (or at least New Testaments) almost everywhere, so you can get free Scriptures whenever you want.Kalezian said:
Oh, they're an organisation? I thought there was just this one guy called Gideon who was really absent-minded with his Bibles and so had to put his name on them...AdmiralMemo said:
(This is a joke, in case it's not obvious. I never said it was a good one)
You said "Theologists". Not "Some theologists" or "religious fundamentalists" or any other such qualifier. You just lumped all religious people together and accused them of... well... "mostly spending their time looking at scientific theories trying to find out a way to integrate god into them".Kubanator said:
That was pretty bigoted.
Also, I love it how these theophobes bash religious nutters who don't let go of things like creationism when it is proven wrong, but then bash religious moderates for adjusting their religious position based upon scientific findings. Looks to me like you are just looking for an excuse to hate. Unhealthy dude.