Poll: Pro player, or cheater, does it matter?

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squid5580

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Flying Dagger said:
squid5580 said:
That is the problem. You can't get better if you are spawning taking a step and dying. Or if you are not surviving long enough to get a feel for the map. Cheating is one thing and they should get booted. Although as much as it sucks if you find yourself in a match with a "pro" you should be the one leaving. It is not thier fault they are to good. Afterall that is what we are striving for isn't it?
not really... i just want to enjoy playing the game, if i'm a regular on a server, and my friends are there, i'm not going to leave...
Then it shouldn't bother you. If you are just there to have fun then getting smoked repeatedly shouldn't be a problem.

Also how come no one considers how the "pro" feels. If he or she is not one of those douchebags who is only concerned about thier K/D ratio and is looking for a challenge how do you think they feel about pwning a bunch of "newbs." Logic would dictate they aren't having very much fun either.
 

Flying Dagger

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squid5580 said:
Then it shouldn't bother you. If you are just there to have fun then getting smoked repeatedly shouldn't be a problem.

Also how come no one considers how the "pro" feels. If he or she is not one of those douchebags who is only concerned about thier K/D ratio and is looking for a challenge how do you think they feel about pwning a bunch of "newbs." Logic would dictate they aren't having very much fun either.
getting smoked repeatedly isn't fun...
and if logic dictates they aren't having much fun then votebanning them is the charitable option :D
 

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Flying Dagger said:
I find, on servers i play on online games, that when there is someone so insanely good that no one else has a chance, they will often be faced with accusations of cheating.
i've rarely been accused of this, and a lot of the time accuse people, mostly because i find it amusing to see people getting worked up about it.

But my point, and the point of the question, is when it comes down to a voteban, does it matter if they are cheating or not, if either way they are ruining the game for the majority of the server by being so good that they leave others no chance?

I make exceptions for players that are fun to chat with, or at least are amusing as they kill people, but for the no-mic supa-pros, if it comes to a voteban decision, i always choose to ban.

what do people think?

edit: to clarify, here's a situation where this came up, ...
I was playing on a 2fort server, and i'm usually a scout, sniper or medic.
This guy logs on, spawns as a scout, and he starts taking out snipers with his pistol, as he crosses the bridge, he is also taking out other characters as well, and our entire team is complaining that something there is wrong. someone spectates him, finds out he somehow has no spread at all on his pistol. but the point i'm raising is that does it matter if he is cheating or not, if he is ruining the game for people, be it by pro skills or by pro hacks, surely what he is banned for is ruining the game, not cheating?
If the game is miss-matched then that's bad on behalf of the server, if the group decide that one player is ruining it for the rest then they are justified in asking them to leave. If it starts to lose all fun for them they could be justified in kicking the player. There's plenty of other matches for that player to join.
 

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Although I never was insanely good at anything, I did know how to play a mean game of Battlefield 2142. I remember holding the Titan once, along with two squadmates. They were serious players, unlike the rest, who were scurrying around the battlefield alone. So we did our best utilizing team chat holding the Titan. And we did. As me as a scout placing mines and another teammate being a heavy gunner who placed an ammo crate or whatever held the left corridor which was the last one we needed to hold and the other guy was running around killing the other team on the titan and occaisionally leaving healthpacks for me and the other guy.

This went well. For about 8 minutes. Then, the accusations of cheating began. Apparantly placing mines onboard a titan was cheating. Odd, as their admin did exactly the same. So about another 3 minutes later they finally broke through using a coordinated assault and got to the core. They however didn't bring along any extra ammo and as they just wasted it all on our freshly mutilated corpses. They were all just standing around it. So we rushed in all guns blazing after the respawn and finished them off.

About 16 seconds later me and my two squadmates were banned for using cheats. The odd thing? This was an "old farts" server. People who claim to be mature, level headed players who can take a loss. But well, I digress.

If someone is insanely good at a game, try teamwork taking that guy out before anyone else. It almost always works. I can't consider skill cheating.
 

Archaon6044

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i'd say that playing like that in itself is no problem, except that maybe he should either seek out similarly skilled players, or the game needs a decent matchmaking system.

he souldn't be done for ruining a game, but he shouldn't be playing people who have less skill that he does.
 

uncle-ellis

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If you're really childish enough to boot a player because they are beating you then you should probably go cry to you're mummy about it.
 

UltraBot

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+Online games are poeple based; if players stop having fun they`ll just leave the game. Go and sugest your game developers to skill-rank the servers and ban multi-accounts; that way pros will fastly rank-up to pro rooms, you can stay where you feel more confortable in your current skill level and you can spot hacks quickly for being "way awsome" in low level servers.
+Opinion-wise; I play for fun, and I really am very poorly skilled for shooters, so I try to play in casual servers or the like, and if a "pro" shows up, I just leave that room and play elsewhere. Not there fault that I stink, not my fault if they keep slughtering and soon find themselves alone in empty rooms.
 

jimduckie

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cheating online is wrong ,booting someone who is not that good is ignorance , sometimes you get a good game with great players sometimes you get lemons
 

Flying Dagger

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uncle-ellis said:
If you're really childish enough to boot a player because they are beating you then you should probably go cry to you're mummy about it.
why would you need to do that after you'd kicked them?
surely your childish insult should be more along the lines of saying kicking someone is crying to mummy.
 

uncle-ellis

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Flying Dagger said:
uncle-ellis said:
If you're really childish enough to boot a player because they are beating you then you should probably go cry to you're mummy about it.
why would you need to do that after you'd kicked them?
surely your childish insult should be more along the lines of saying kicking someone is crying to mummy.
my insult is'nt childish im making fun of childish people.
 

Nigh Invulnerable

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My buddy Joe is so good at Tribes that he regularly gets banned from servers just by showing up. I saw his score at the end of a match where he had 70 kills and 0 deaths. Either he gets accused of cheating and booted, or he gets plunked into the invincible armor that can't shoot, jump, or do anything aside from wander around the map not dying.

I don't think that kicking someone for being good is at all fair, no matter how bad they're pummeling you. I rock my friends' faces at Timesplitters and DOA, but get regularly pounded at Halo, so it all evens out. The only time banning someone for getting a lot of kills would be appropriate is if they're cheating to do it.
 

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Flying Dagger said:
someone spectates him, finds out he somehow has no spread at all on his pistol. but the point i'm raising is that does it matter if he is cheating or not, if he is ruining the game for people, be it by pro skills or by pro hacks, surely what he is banned for is ruining the game, not cheating?
It doesn't matter how good you are, you can't effect the spread without hacks. And if he's too good then yeah I would say a kick is in order.
 

konkwastaken

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i get accused for hacking in counterstrike all of the damn time =\ back in the day everyone was either equal skill or better than me but those good players have dwindled away and a bunch of noobs have stormed in to take their spot...im not that much better, everyone else is just that much worse.

(ofcourse thats a big generalisation, there are still some good players out there, its just they are hard to come by).

EDIT: oh and booting someone cos they are cheating is totally fine, booting someone cos they are better, no matter by how much is just wrong.
 

Baby Tea

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MaxTheReaper said:
Baby Tea said:
Max! What's up? I rarely quote you these days!
I dunno! I only very rarely see your awesome but somewhat out-dated avatar gracing these boardses.
Fine! I changed the avatar now.
Thanks. I got all self-conscious.
 

Baby Tea

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MaxTheReaper said:
Baby Tea said:
MaxTheReaper said:
Baby Tea said:
Max! What's up? I rarely quote you these days!
I dunno! I only very rarely see your awesome but somewhat out-dated avatar gracing these boardses.
Fine! I changed the avatar now.
Thanks. I got all self-conscious.
I would try to compliment you, but it'd probably come out all homosexual sounding, and I've cast enough doubt on my sexuality today already.
NICE AVATAR MAN, HURGH *punches a bear in manliness*
Ahh yes...internet sexual insecurities and ambiguities.
Is there anything sweeter? Or more confusing?
 

Galliam

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I'm all for banning a person for any reason. If it'll make the game more fun for you, do it.