Poll: Pro Wrestling for Non-Fans

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SadakoMoose

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Kragg said:
SadakoMoose said:
Sometimes you call these people "Routine Men". Theses are wrestlers who have a series of moves that they're competent with, and see no need to innovate or try anything new. It's VERY easy to wrestle a Routine man, and some of the biggest stars from the US have been that way.
Notice, I said biggest STARS, not the BEST wrestlers.

So yeah, if you have any other questions don't be afraid to ask!
that is actually pretty interesting, could you give like a dozen or so examples of the WWE roster atm so i can sorta see who and what you mean? ^^

ow and if you follow the stuff on WWE, could you give a summary of everything that happened from last wrestlemania till now? ive been out of it (its gotten to be a habit for me to watch it when i catch it, but its on eurosport here and their programming is finicky, i might miss out on a week or 2 then nothing for a month etc)
I've not really been following the WWE, mostly for political reasons, also because it's harder for me to enjoy their product now that I've discovered what I feel to be better stuff on the internet.
But I AM familiar with most of their talent, so here we go:
Alberto Del Rio: Excellent villain, good technical Lucha Libre background, given that he is the son of Dos Caras and the nephew of Mil Mascaras.

Alex Riley: Decent mat power wrestler. Under seasoned, however, as he has never wrestled outside of the WWE system.

Antonio Cesaro: Claudio Castagnoli. One of Switzerland's finest (in not only one of a few) wrestlers. It's worth tracking down his work for Chikara Pro, especially as the leader of Die Bruderschaft des Kreuzes.

Big Show: Formerly one of the better giant wrestlers, he has slowed down significantly over the last decade due to injuries. Hard to believe it, but he was once able to do a moonsault.

Brock Lesnar: Trained in pro wrestling by former US Olympic wrestler Brad Rheingeins, upon his return to the WWE he began using more in the way of submission holds and MMA inspired offense.

Brodus Clay: Yet another wrestler who has never worked outside of the WWE system. Decent super heavyweight, with an infectious smile and personality. A former body guard for Snoop Dogg.

Camacho: 4th generation wrestler, and son of the legendary Haku, he has also never wrestled outside of the WWE system. A decent brawler, playing the role of hired muscle.

Christian: Still a solid technical wrestler after all these years, and still just as underrated as ever.

CM Punk: A good striker with a solid technical base. He is, arguable, the most interesting man in the entire company right now.

Cody Rhodes: You'd think that someone trained by Harley Race would be a lot more impressive, technically speaking. Still, he's a good villain, but has never really impressed me as far as wrestling goes.

Curt Hawkins: A well rounded wrestler that's never used properly. Mostly treated as enhancement talent, unfortunately.

Damien Sandow: An excellent, traditional, mat power wrestler. They currently have him doing a snobbish academic gimmick, which completely underplays just how brutal a villain this guy can be.

Daniel Brian: Pound for pound, the best technical wrestler on the roster. A black belt in Judo, Brian is also one of the most versatile wrestlers currently signed to the WWE, mostly due to the fact that he has wrestled in nearly every country that HAS pro wrestling. Well worth checking out his work from when he was Brian Danielson.

Darren Young: Another well rounded heavyweight wrestler, but given a terrible look and gimmick. He can deliver a good match, but with the way he's marketed, you'd never know it.

David Otunga: Never wrestled outside of the WWE, this graduate of Harvard Law school lucked into marrying a celebrity. Only four years into the business, his main attribute is the fact that he looks muscular and not much else.

Dolph Ziggler: Never wrestled outside the WWE. As far as villains go, he's pretty good, but other than that he's just an average traditional heavyweight with a silly name.

Drew McEntire: A technically gifted wrestler with a solid British wrestling background, but doesn't work for me in the WWE. He also has these stupid looking kneepads.

Dwayne Johnson: He relies mostly on his personality to compensate for the fact that he's only a basic wrestler with large muscles. I'm in the minority when I say this, but I genuinely don't like the Rock. If you've seen one Rock match, you've seen them all.

Epico: Another great, well rounded wrestler! He's done great work on the US Indy circuit and in Puerto Rico. All of which is more interesting than what they have him doing in the WWE.

Evan Bourne: A good high flier, but he keeps getting injured in the WWE. It's worth it to check out his work for WSX.

Ezekial Jackson: An average heavyweight

Great Khali: A giant that can barely move.

I started doing this list with the intention of talking about EVERYBODY, but I quickly realized that it wasn't worth it.
I hope this helps!
 

Cardbird

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Pfft, seems you hate any wrestler without "Teh indie skills" Dolph is flat out, one of the best in ring workers in the US today. Better than Punk, and just behind Bryan.
 

SadakoMoose

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CannibalCorpses said:
I used to like WWF when i was a child but it was always a bit lame. Then many years later i got into TNA for a while but it turned into bullshit over wrestling which annoyed the hell out of me. Nowadays i just watch ROH occasionally but haven't seen any for quite a while.

Why do good wrestling companies always end up turning into boring soap operas?
Why do some comic book companies continue to employ Rob Liefeld?
Have you tried Chikara?
 

SadakoMoose

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Cardbird said:
Pfft, seems you hate any wrestler without "Teh indie skills" Dolph is flat out, one of the best in ring workers in the US today. Better than Punk, and just behind Bryan.
Now hang on, I had nice things to say about Alex Riley! He's underutilized, but what I've seen (mostly from FCW)is pretty good.
And yes, I do appreciate an Indy background, because it meant that those guys had to work hard as hell to get where they are. It's easier to make the sort of sacrifices that wrestling requires when you're making 6 digits. Try doing it on 30,000 a year or less.
Honestly, the WWE has a good roster, but they just don't know how to use it.
 

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SadakoMoose said:
Cardbird said:
Pfft, seems you hate any wrestler without "Teh indie skills" Dolph is flat out, one of the best in ring workers in the US today. Better than Punk, and just behind Bryan.
Now hang on, I had nice things to say about Alex Riley! He's underutilized, but what I've seen (mostly from FCW)is pretty good.
And yes, I do appreciate an Indy background, because it meant that those guys had to work hard as hell to get where they are. It's easier to make the sort of sacrifices that wrestling requires when you're making 6 digits. Try doing it on 30,000 a year or less.
Honestly, the WWE has a good roster, but they just don't know how to use it.
to be fair Mr.Ziggles has worked harder than most of the guys with only WWE experience, he's the only surviving member of the Spirit Squad, and boucning back from that fiasco takes more than a little work, but he's a solid worker and to borrow a phrase 'sells better than TNA tickets'.

But you are right about the indy guys having earned their spot, paid their dues, whatevr you want to call it. Doesn't mean you can rule out the guys who came up through WWE either though.
 

Fishyash

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SadakoMoose said:
TakerFoxx said:
Every time someone finds out I'm a pro-wrestling fan, the first thing out of their mouth is always that goddamned question: "You know it's fake, right?"

My answers have become more sarcastic every time.
I honestly used to wonder WHY people still asked that question. It seemed kind of obvious.
And then I realized something: Some people actually think we're stupid.
To which I say: Like I'm going to take that from a beer swilling, Tappout wearing, fair weather UFC fan that doesn't even know what Pancrase or PRIDE FC were...
Personal problems, lol.
What? It's fake? No, it must be a lie!

*looks it up*

...

Okay honestly, I really didn't enjoy wrestling at first, especially as a kid when I thought it was real. A recent friend managed to get me a little bit more interested in it now though, telling me of the wrestling since the past couple of decades... and Botchamania.

I have a question for you though, what makes you watch wrestling now? Is it the moves, the fakeness, the writing? Is it anything in particular, something different or the whole package?
 

SadakoMoose

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Fishyash said:
SadakoMoose said:
TakerFoxx said:
Every time someone finds out I'm a pro-wrestling fan, the first thing out of their mouth is always that goddamned question: "You know it's fake, right?"

My answers have become more sarcastic every time.
I honestly used to wonder WHY people still asked that question. It seemed kind of obvious.
And then I realized something: Some people actually think we're stupid.
To which I say: Like I'm going to take that from a beer swilling, Tappout wearing, fair weather UFC fan that doesn't even know what Pancrase or PRIDE FC were...
Personal problems, lol.
What? It's fake? No, it must be a lie!

*looks it up*

...

Okay honestly, I really didn't enjoy wrestling at first, especially as a kid when I thought it was real. A recent friend managed to get me a little bit more interested in it now though, telling me of the wrestling since the past couple of decades... and Botchamania.

I have a question for you though, what makes you watch wrestling now? Is it the moves, the fakeness, the writing? Is it anything in particular, something different or the whole package?
Honestly, I enjoy wrestling for many reasons, but most of all it's my favorite performance art. Right above clowning (PROPER Clowning, not the birthday stuff. See Charlie Cairoli or Bello Nock) and stunt work. I love it because of my appreciation of the craftsmanship that goes into even a good match. It can tell so many different kinds of stories, from the fine comedy of Colt Cabana or Les Kellet
and yet it can also be used to create epic struggles, in a way that isn't canned but fresh and live.
I SERIOUSLY recommend watching Tsuruta vs Misawa.
You can just feel the tension building as the match reaches it's finale.
But yea, most of the wrestling I watch now is basically career research and study, since that's where I'll be headed as soon as I can get the money together!
 

SadakoMoose

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Here's a sticky one!
Around 2006, lady wrestler Emi Sakura created a program to teach young girls how to do pro wrestling. From this, a company called Ice Ribbon emerged:
I assure you, it is completely innocent and (by all accounts) very safe.
First person to assume that this is something dirty, and make a racist comment about the Japanese being perverts, receives nothing but my utmost disrespect!