This, as long as it is consensual to both parties and no abuse is being committed. Whatever religion you belong to, you should not be forced to undergo physical harm from the one that pledged to be with you forever.j0z said:
Poll: Proposition 8: Should homosexuals be allowed to marry in a fashion legally recognized by the state?
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Its simply a matter of how youve been raised and of how it will affect you in the future, the new generation is mostly supporting the homosexuals but their are those individuals who are lost thanks to highly extremist religious parentsJohnJacobJingle said:Specifically, what unions should the government endorse with the title of marriage, and how should said unions be treated? Should the government try to enforce or endorse these unions? Should the government get involved at all?
My person feelings are that if you want to have a state that does not have a religious or cultural agenda, then you should get out of the business of marriage entirely, since it means such different things to such different cultural/ethnic groups, and trying to accommodate such differing values will be very difficult without having to create in effect separate justice systems for those groups...e.g. I know of some ethnicities where a form of kidnapping is considered perfectly legal by the community at large, and others where spousal abuse and even rape is tolerated by the head of the household.
Thoughts? Trying to get the opinion of a community whose views have so far been rather diverse and thoughtful...and hopefully, this will correct that.
Also, if you are going to use evidence, please include a name or some kind of link so other people can see it...ty!
There are good reasons for there to be a legal basis for marraige, or any union between two people. Legal recognition that you and your long-term partner have a special relationship with each other is important for various reasons, the most important being taxation and inheritance.
However, it is not the business of the state to determine who should make up these unions, and certainly not to create a hierarachy of 'marraige' for hetrosexuals and 'civil partnerships' for homosexuals, as is being done in some countries in lieu of full gay marraige.
However, it is not the business of the state to determine who should make up these unions, and certainly not to create a hierarachy of 'marraige' for hetrosexuals and 'civil partnerships' for homosexuals, as is being done in some countries in lieu of full gay marraige.
This.Nemu said:
Anyone who opposes gay marriage considers homosexuals to be less than human. This is repugnant. And I would characterize myself as homophobic. I don't really like homosexuals, but they still deserve to be treated like people. My opinion matters nothing when it comes to basic human rights. this goes for everyone else, too.
And do not even bother bringing up civil unions. That is separate but equal, which the supreme court has already ruled is not equal and therefore unconstitutional. The only way to make civil unions work is to turn all marriages into civil unions, gay or straight.
*Sigh* You typical wanabe-tolerant know-it-all. There is a domain of definition here. Heterosexual marriage is there to back up a family with kids. Hence they are no biological offsprings in a gay relationship, gay marriage shouldn't be legal.cobra_ky said:
Agreed.j0z said:
Separation of church and state, marriage is, if I remember correctly, a religious ceremony.
Gov should have any power over non-violent religious rituals, Civil Unions are great, I know straight people who've gone and gotten a civil union because they don't want to be married under Christian Churches, but I don't think the state has a right to force priests to marry people if they don't want to. If they do want to, which some priests do, then that's all the better.
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I wish it were so, but a great many people share that view.MaxTheReaper said:
Gay marriage... a deep theme indeed.
I believe it depends on the people, not just gay people, but society as a whole, I think that when Gay marriage went legal in the UK it was because their contribution to society (in tax form before and after the marriage), the number of gay people wanting to marry and society ideals on sexuality made this possible.
So, if they want recognition then the goverment (and the society that supports the goverment) must share some common ground on the matter, not just gay people, I don't know how things are like whenever you live, but if you believe its possible, then it probably is.
I believe it depends on the people, not just gay people, but society as a whole, I think that when Gay marriage went legal in the UK it was because their contribution to society (in tax form before and after the marriage), the number of gay people wanting to marry and society ideals on sexuality made this possible.
So, if they want recognition then the goverment (and the society that supports the goverment) must share some common ground on the matter, not just gay people, I don't know how things are like whenever you live, but if you believe its possible, then it probably is.
You're on slippery slope as well.MaxTheReaper said:
Not really, but I see no purpose in gay marriage.MaxTheReaper said:
How is Gay marriage related to puppies? Oh wait... Let's not go there.MaxTheReaper said:
They can "love" each other until their asses fall off. But marriage is a step too far.MaxTheReaper said:
Dude wash away your Braveheart-facepaint. Stop pulling this old-school capitalist trick.MaxTheReaper said:
If homosexual people want to get married, who are we to stop them? If a gay man and a gay woman get hitched, I see no problem in it.
Why should marriage have any say in taxation and shit like that? Like, fuck the government, man!
No but seriously, I never understood why gays want this right of marriage so badly, it only seems to make us heteros miserable.
But if they want to legally and religiously bind themselves to another person, what the fuck is that anybody's business?
Edit: Seriously though, fuck the government...
No but seriously, I never understood why gays want this right of marriage so badly, it only seems to make us heteros miserable.
But if they want to legally and religiously bind themselves to another person, what the fuck is that anybody's business?
Edit: Seriously though, fuck the government...
I'd argue that there's already equality, and some people aren't happy with it. Homosexual people can marry. They just don't want to, really. Otherwise they would just shut up and get hitched already.MaxTheReaper said: