Poll: Prostitution
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I understand your point, but that would be like punishing anyone who smokes a cigarette even though cigarettes are legal.Maze1125 said:
Ignignoct said:
Emotion has nothing to do with it, and such an assumption is a nice way to use a veiled insult. Ironically you then call me shallow... Maybe you should try calling me an eight year old kid next.
This women has made a choice to offer up something, something which she could not, in any capacity, fathom its worth, she is making a decision based on nothing except speculation, and is willing to trade the use of her body in exchange for money.
She is being used.
How can you defend someone giving up something they know nothing about, in exchange for money.
Weather she views it as such or not, she is being used.
and because you like to view emotion, I will use it to illustrate:
The man has money,
she has a body.
He has what she needs.
she has what he wants
The man is not dependant,
though she relies on him.
The only way in which she can gain her need
is to sacrifice
her being
for his pleasure.
To offer up the housing of her soul
To sign away her innocence.
She agrees,
She knows nothing but her needs.
She knows nothing of the consequence.
All she sees
is the mean
to an end.
So she agrees,
She gives it to him
Not some possession that can be replaced or substituted.
Not a watch that can be fixed,
Not a suit that can be bleached,
Not a toy that can be remade.
Her body
It is no longer hers its his, hes paid for it use, he now can use it.
Like a rented car,
he now owns part of her.
She is his now,
she is exposed.
vulnerable
young,
misinformed,
confused.
Shes uneasy.
She may be scared
but she takes comfort.
Comfort in knowing
The only thing keeping him from
His
deepest,
worst,
and perverse
thoughts
His
viscous
cruel,
and disturbed
urges
His
maniacal,
murderous,
and rough,
impulses
His
savage,
and uncontrollable
appetite
is a piece of paper
a contract
an "agreement"
a set of words
That might be a shield
or might be a chain
she agreed to this man
She is now bound
By her desire for her needs
By her lust for wealth
tricked by innocents
unshackled from guilt
Theres no backing out,
no stopping midway,
no shrugging it off
and saying "not today".
Shes bound by contract
to finish what she started.
Her desires are mute
her input departed.
If she were to scream out
If she were to resist.
If she were to exclaim
that this was askew
that it was not her desire.
If she were to object
to him upon her.
She would be false
She is now in error.
Her contract never said
Her contract had it not written.
Her needs,
for his lust.
It said on the paper
He gave her the money.
He signed the contract.
He agreed to the tests
He agreed to the meetings
Hes waited for months
drooling in patience.
She is his food
and he is obese
He's paid for his meal.
and now he will eat...
Let's break it down!hippo24 said:
I disagree wholeheartedly, as you already know. My basis, is the stigma associated with prostitutes. You saw the posts here, claiming that STDs and pregnancies would skyrocket. This is due to the immediate emotional disgust people associate to loose women and prostitutes.
Not unless you actually tell me you're 8, because I'm thinking logically, here.
JACK-POT! Halle-f*cking-lujah. She's offering up something she hasn't the capacity to fathom its worth!?! Do you realize how amazingly sexist and condescending that is? You may be able to apply that type of judgement on a young teenager, but we're speaking of state-regulated and maintained brothels that far exceed the health standards of the average citizen, with women who do it as a job, for money, and heaven forbid, maybe they like it!
Your argument presupposes that the woman is sacrificing something invaluable, for White-Jesus' sake! I say let the free market decide =p... But seriously, it's just sex, and if a woman signs up for a brothel, and stays because it works for her, more power to her. I'm not going to sit on a high-horse and lecture her on her allowing grizzly, skeezy men to pillage her delicate flower.
Again, with the outright condescension and sexism. I trust these women to know more of what their giving than some outside speculator, when they're working at a brothel. I'd really REALLY suggest you go check out some videos on how brothels work, as dirty-nasty as that sounds (because prostitutes are icky-yucky, right?), because I think you need to hear this straight from the hooker's mouth.
The Bunny Ranch serves a purpose in Nevada; and to say these are ignorant, defiled females used and abused for sex is outrageous. These are the PROS! They know the game!
Go with Christ, bro.
PS I like the poem, it has suspense and emotion =D
Yea, prostitution has been around as long as sex has. I think it would get alot of girls off the streets and out of the hands of sadistic pimps if it was a state regulated business, complete with insurance and regular medical check-ups. Also, customers should be identified and kept on record, the lack of anonymity would discourage people on the fence from going. The goverment can of course take their slice from taxation as well. It's not a pretty thing when women are forced to sell their bodies to support themselves, but at least this makes the process a little more voluntary.
That's how I do, baby.Broloth said:
My initial reaction, "So no one should have sex for pleasure ever?" was short-sighted, and didn't properly dissect WHY you're wrong.
I recognize my mistakes, and I'll correct them to further the conversation.
Edit: Those other guys already beat me to deflating your logic anyway... Now I'm left with forum blue-balls.
legalize it and do all the other suggestions people who have voted to legalize it have said
Then prostitues are not a health hazard AND homeless woman can get a job
Then prostitues are not a health hazard AND homeless woman can get a job
Curses! If I knew there were time wizards in this thread trying to remove discussion that's gone before I wouldn't have bothered posting!Seekster said:
Incidentally...nothing is never not up for discussion no matter how we find it repugnant, one would be recommended to at the very least make a rebuttal rather than simply stating how wrong something is.
I was actually suprised at the results after i voted in the poll, i expect the majority to say no, but it looks like you've sparked an interesting debate.
I think women should have more self-respect than to sell themselves to anyone, ofcourse it's different in the cases where they're forced into it. I guess it's still viewed as 'wrong' in the governments minds, probably for reasons concerning younger children.
I think women should have more self-respect than to sell themselves to anyone, ofcourse it's different in the cases where they're forced into it. I guess it's still viewed as 'wrong' in the governments minds, probably for reasons concerning younger children.
But...that's hardly 'self' respect if the only reason you don't do something is because of what others think, as for prostitution, do or don't, I still think it should up to the individual.Birdehh said:
That said, it is awful for the people who get into a bad way because of it or are otherwise forced into such a job.
The violence associated with it. Yes, wrong! The propensity for the transmission of diseases, yes, wrong! The sex trafficking, the dangerous conditions, yes, wrong!Seekster said:
Selling one's -own- body for a fee. No, not wrong! At least, in my opinion I see nothing wrong with that, either morally or ethically.
Above all else, and barring murder etc., I hold individual liberties. Amongst which, the idea that two people can engage in -whatever- activities they so choose providing such activities do not cause harm to those involved or others. (And even then I'm willing to stretch that to accommodate consensual S&M activities.)
My God how twisted society has become. You are suggesting that we make legal voluntarily slavery. That is what we are talking about here, a human being is being bought and sold, granted in this case that human being is doing so willingly (which begs the question of if they have in doing so lost their humanity and become a commodity which can be bought and sold).GothmogII said:
No government or society should ever condone the buying and selling of individuals, if the individual wants to sell themselves then they don't need for it to be legal, they need HELP!
Seekster said:
-Voluntary- slavery -_-? So...if in order to support myself, I have to get a low paying job for say, lifting boxes, I'm a slave? I mean, I'm essentially selling my body for use as manual labour. (Then again, I guess that's where the expression 'wage slave' comes from.)
All work is a form of servitude of some kind, we all work for money for someone else. Why exactly should sex be so different?
Even prostitution is only slavery when the prostitute in question has been literally forced into it, through kidnapping, extortion or violence.
Yes, it's a bad thing when your financial situation leaves you desperate enough to consider it. However, the point in legalising it, is to get rid of a lot of the bad things associated, not just to make it more accessible. But to to make it safer for the people working in this industry.
You have a twisted way of looking at this and I dont think I am going to be able to get you to see my point of view if you have actually decided that being a prostitute and being a "wage slave" are essentially the same thing. Thats just sick.GothmogII said:
I will attempt again to explain this to you. You see one difference is that as a "wage-slave" you are not actually "selling your body" in the same sense as a prostitute would. You are instead selling your services. I know you are going to say that a prostitute could also be seen as selling her "services" but thats like comparing apples to oranges (if you will excuse the cliche).
As a "wage-slave" you are in agreement with an employer wherin you perform some sort of services for him or his company (lifting boxes, waiting tables, etc.) in exchange for regular reparations usually in the form of a salary. At no point are you asked to allow your body to be violated or asked to humiliate yourself. In fact you could sue your employer if he asked you to do something of that nature.
In prostitution an individual (usually a female) is entering into an argreement in which she allows a man to violate her. Once an individual has allowed themselves to be violated they essentially forfeit their dignity and have no right to sue for humiliation because they quite literally asked for it.
I could go into the psychological scaring involved but hopefully I dont have to.