Seekster said:
GothmogII said:
Seekster said:
GothmogII said:
Seekster said:
GothmogII said:
Seekster said:
No legalizing Prostitution is one of those things that isnt even up for discussion no matter what "reasons" people may come up with to justify it.
Curses! If I knew there were time wizards in this thread trying to remove discussion that's gone before I wouldn't have bothered posting!
Incidentally...nothing is never not up for discussion no matter how we find it repugnant, one would be recommended to at the very least make a rebuttal rather than simply stating how wrong something is.
If you actually need someone to tell you what is wrong with prostitution then you sir have some serious moral issues.
The violence associated with it. Yes, wrong! The propensity for the transmission of diseases, yes, wrong! The sex trafficking, the dangerous conditions, yes, wrong!
Selling one's -own- body for a fee. No, not wrong! At least, in my opinion I see nothing wrong with that, either morally or ethically.
Above all else, and barring murder etc., I hold individual liberties. Amongst which, the idea that two people can engage in -whatever- activities they so choose providing such activities do not cause harm to those involved or others. (And even then I'm willing to stretch that to accommodate consensual S&M activities.)
My God how twisted society has become. You are suggesting that we make legal voluntarily slavery. That is what we are talking about here, a human being is being bought and sold, granted in this case that human being is doing so willingly (which begs the question of if they have in doing so lost their humanity and become a commodity which can be bought and sold).
No government or society should ever condone the buying and selling of individuals, if the individual wants to sell themselves then they don't need for it to be legal, they need HELP!
-Voluntary- slavery -_-? So...if in order to support myself, I have to get a low paying job for say, lifting boxes, I'm a slave? I mean, I'm essentially selling my body for use as manual labour. (Then again, I guess that's where the expression 'wage slave' comes from.)
All work is a form of servitude of some kind, we all work for money for someone else. Why exactly should sex be so different?
Even prostitution is only slavery when the prostitute in question has been
literally forced into it, through kidnapping, extortion or violence.
Yes, it's a bad thing when your financial situation leaves you desperate enough to consider it. However, the point in legalising it, is to get rid of a lot of the bad things associated, not just to make it more accessible. But to to make it safer for the people working in this industry.
You have a twisted way of looking at this and I dont think I am going to be able to get you to see my point of view if you have actually decided that being a prostitute and being a "wage slave" are essentially the same thing. Thats just sick.
I will attempt again to explain this to you. You see one difference is that as a "wage-slave" you are not actually "selling your body" in the same sense as a prostitute would. You are instead selling your services. I know you are going to say that a prostitute could also be seen as selling her "services" but thats like comparing apples to oranges (if you will excuse the cliche).
As a "wage-slave" you are in agreement with an employer wherin you perform some sort of services for him or his company (lifting boxes, waiting tables, etc.) in exchange for regular reparations usually in the form of a salary. At no point are you asked to allow your body to be violated or asked to humiliate yourself. In fact you could sue your employer if he asked you to do something of that nature.
In prostitution an individual (usually a female) is entering into an argreement in which she allows a man to violate her. Once an individual has allowed themselves to be violated they essentially forfeit their dignity and have no right to sue for humiliation because they quite literally asked for it.
I could go into the psychological scaring involved but hopefully I dont have to.
But under the circumstances, as box stacker you wouldn't normally expect that of your employer, hence why you can sue there, whereas, with prostitution it is generally part of the job you know? (But even then, it should be mandatory to create a small contract or set terms of engagement to prevent assaults or activities that the worker is not trained for etc.)
Still, you keep talking about it like it's some incorrigible evil, that no-one can actively make a choice to engage in such activity. That they are one of two people, either people without any sense of self respect or that they have been ultimately forced into it by situations completely outside their control. And don't mistake please, I -know- those two types of people exist, and there are a lot of them.
I'm just saying, it would be better off if there were both regulation and control.
Not that I approve of it myself, just that when talking freedoms, people on both sides should have access to it and in total safety. Hell, I highly dislike alcohol myself, I've seen the damage it does to friends and family, but, that doesn't mean I'll be found at the 'ban alcohol' clubhouse just because I don't approve. Nor is it right of me to accuse those who do partake of being sick immoral monsters, despite the fact that alcohol induced death, i.e. drunk driving, and abuse in general are one of the many blights on the world at present.
