Poll: PS4 decisively beating Xbone in polls. Will Sony throw away their winning hand?

[GAunderrated]

Remember, Sony have yet to say anything about the same issues people are hating MS for. If at E3 Sony start stating there used games stance among other things, and MS just show off a load of amazing games. Then Sony will look terrible in comparison. MS has shown all its bad laundry. Sony has yet to. But how quick people forget all the bitching and moaning after Sony's PS4 reveal?lol.

E3 here we come.

Sony has at least confirmed that the PS4 isn't going to have any online DRM.

I could be wrong but I believe they said they were going to leave it up to the publishers to decide on always online DRM. Which to be honest is a certainty for many big publishers. lol.

Either way I have my PC and WiiU so I have no dog in this fight. It is just fun to watch them both fuck up royally.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

We'll see.

We have seen the hardware details of both, Sony seem to be ditching Move while Microsoft run full tilt with Kinect. Microsoft have stated the not so much but pretty much will Always On. Curious to see Sony's decision whether they will or not.

 

[Iklol]

I guarantee than Sony were planning features that were just as bad, if not worse than the Xbone. But now that they've seen the Xbone's reception they're desperately trying to figure out which features they can redo without months of work. On topic: I'm guessing that Sony will screw up in several key areas but overall come out on top.

 

[badgersprite]

I certainly hope they don't throw their hand away, although I am prepared for that eventuality. Seriously, I would quite like to buy and own a new generation console, and since I personally have no real interest in buying the WiiU (no offence intended, I think it's fine, but it's just not what I'm looking for) that leaves the PS4.

I don't want to see gaming companies do badly or make bad decisions. I want them to make sensible decisions and succeed.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

"Will Sony throw away their winning hand?"
In in this present age of extreme corporate stupidity, where companies make decisions that don't even make sense from any money making big business perspective I can figure out, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did. Not in the slightest.

 

[RicoADF]

http://www.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/

As things stand right now all Sony has to do to win the next console war is learn from the hatred the xbone has roused and not repeat Microsoft's mistakes. Were they planning to do the same things? Maybe. Now they can see firsthand what sort of reaction that will get if they do, and what sort of reward they could get if they don't (Sony stock shot up when the xbone was announced).

In short, all they have to do is shut the fuck up and avoid doing anything completely retarded.

Can they manage it?

Sony has already answered questions regarding these rumors before the XBone was even released.
- PS4 will not have an online requirement at all (obviously the social stuff will need it to work but the console and gaming doesn't)
- PS4 will not have any used game restrictions or locks built in nor will they support any. So anything the publishers come up with they do themselves
- PS4 is focusing on the consumer, so no subscription to go online, no region locking etc just like the PS3.

Basically it's following the PS3 philosophy but making itself easier for devs to develop for thus more games for the consumer. Also keeping prices down.

It's amazing how smart people and companies can be when they're desperate, and how dumb those some people and companies can be when they're on top of the world.

Sony, for those not interested in the business world, has had a rough past few years. It needs the Playstation 4 to come out strong, and pull them ahead. It will do whatever the safest, surest thing is to ensure that success. Right now, giving gamers what they want is the safest play.

In contrast, when launching the Playstation 3, Sony's stock was riding high and it was posting nearly record profits thanks to the run away success of the Playstation 2 - still the highest selling home console of all time. This success lead to insane hubris at Sony, resulting in them labeling the Playstation 3 as an "entertainment device" instead of a games machine. It was over-priced, had basically no games, and it completely failed at launch. It missed every projection, and then every revised projection, and sent Sony into damage control over-ride. They still haven't fully recovered.

Microsoft are repeating Sony's mistakes. All of them. Microsoft - fresh of the success of the Xbox 360 - think they've found the recipe for lightning in a bottle. Just like Sony did. They think they can sell their machine, regardless of the games, because their brand is strong. Just like Sony did. They believe gamers will buy it regardless. Just like Sony did. They've added a few new ones, though. Always Online DRM and anti-consumer used game practices are built into the box. Even Sony didn't make that kind of blunder.

Sony, however, cannot afford such mistakes, so it's doing the only thing it can do: make the best damn games machine it can make, get the best damn games they can on it as fast as possible, and pray to Jesus Christ that it sells.
I believe history is going to repeat itself, and we've got front row seats.

This, oh so so this ^^ You sir are welcome to join me in the front row, I have popcorn, drinks and reclining chairs. This is going to be a fun ride

 

[RicoADF]

I guarantee than Sony were planning features that were just as bad, if not worse than the Xbone. But now that they've seen the Xbone's reception they're desperately trying to figure out which features they can redo without months of work. On topic: I'm guessing that Sony will screw up in several key areas but overall come out on top.

They confirmed before the xbox reveal that they wouldn't have the MS crap and I doubt they ever planned to. Simple fact is they need to win customers over and screwing them over like XBone wants to do is not going to get them that. Not to mention the PS3 was always the more consumer friendly as is their other systems, they've always had a focus on the consumer as part of their business practise it was the dev side that they failed last gen which they've fixed with x86 chipset.

 

[teebeeohh]

while i am all for bashing the xbone into the ground let's wait for E3 because IF they show a metric shitton of games there we will say a lot of people say that they will buy the system because of this or that game despite all the bullshit.

and right now what i see happening is the PC winning, which is weird at the beginning of a new gen. The vast majority of people who buy consoles doesn't care about the share button, streaming demos or always on kinect as long as they get the new cod-box. And among the more invested crowd i see on gaming specific websites i see a lot of people who are saying that they might as well become PC primary gamers when the xbone has all the bullshit PC gamers have to deal with.

 

[Trinab]

I would like to propose a hypothetical scenario, based on worse-case fears.

What if in the end, Microsoft is right? What if, despite the various gamers, reviewers, internet polls, industry experts, technical experts and others say, the Xbox One sold like hotcakes? That their marketing guys were right, and the public at large utterly embraced, bought, and loved the new Xbox?

What would be the result? What if the PS4 utterly failed to sell because of the opposite, focusing on the gamers rather then the general public?

Would this all be a case of the loud minority? Would it be a sign of something wrong with society?

This question has been bothering me since the Xbox One came out, and I hated every single fact that they announced with it. A fear deep in my gut was screaming 'what if this really does sell like gang-busters?'

Would all this negative press flow away? Would people end up grudgingly accepting it's place under our TVs, or is this something that would never go away and die?

Capcha: Knock off. How dare you suggest I'm one!

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

That being said as far as gamers are concerned Sony would have to work pretty hard to generate the same level of rage that MS has, so its probably safe to say that Sony will be the immediate winner for gamers... though in the non-gaming community MS is pretty much in a race by itself (the PS4 is really just an overpriced Blu-ray and music player if you don't play games) so the Xbox One wins hands down.

This is a good point that I hadn't heard before.

Let's jump back to the announcement of the Wii - what was the gamer reaction? Underpowered, gimmicky, laughably inferior to the competition, dead on arrival. And what happened? The thing started selling like crazy. It wasn't what "gamers" wanted (although I'm a gamer and I wanted it), but it turned out to be exactly what this untapped casual audience wanted.

We all may turn our noses up at its draconian DRM, anti-consumer practices, and primary focus NOT being on games, but if there's a market for an all-in-one home media centre (and let's face it, there most probably is) the thing could still end up selling like hotcakes. Maybe MS realised that dedicated gaming systems are going the way of the dodo since they have less and less benefits over a PC, and rather than dive head-first into a failing market they instead looked for a better opportunity (again, exactly what Nintendo did with the Wii when they thought they couldn't compete in the "hardcore" market).

True, but you can't compare the Wii with the Xbone at this point.

The Wii went mainstream and achieved massive penetration of the casual market with it's unique motion control scheme to the point that daytime talkshows were talking about it.

Those motion controls were (for the most part) unique to the Wii.

Instead by attempting to become a 'all in one box' the Xbone will have to throw down with:

Set-top boxes
Apple TV boxes
PC's
The previous console generation
The upcomming console generation
Smart TVs

So the main capabilities of the Xbone that appeal to the 'casual' market are already established markets and full of devices that perform just as well (if not better) than an Xbone.

I sure they could pull in a few people who want a simple home theatre setup but even that will be difficult with a lack of SD capability.

 

[Ieyke]

Honestly, if you pay real close attention to the PS4 reveal, Sony has already cleared basically all the hurdles that Microsoft crashed directly into.

There's not really too much space for Sony to fuck this one up.
I mean, they COULD go out of their way and do it, but Sony really seems to have been struck by a bolt of wisdom and clarity since the PS3.





It seems like the PS2's success went to Sony's head and they had their head firmly in the clouds for half the PS3's time.
Sony spent so much time constantly wrong-footed with the PS3 that they've spent the last several years constantly striving to overcome their early weirdness and, as a result, are now tuned to what people actually want.


Similarly, and conversely, Microsoft seems to be under the impression that the 360 was a grand success, and now they've got their heads up their asses. They think they can TELL you what you want and you'll want it. They don't seem to care what people actually DO want.

 

[Zanderinfal]

I hope that Sony has common sense and doesn't decide to follow the lead of Microsoft, but I can't say I wouldn't be surprised if they did. That makes me sad. Still, I do hold hope that the PS4 could be something awesome. I probably wont be getting it for a long while, but if it is a good console has good games developed by good people then they can have my money eventually.

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

The majority of sales for nex gen consoles are not going to be the niche market of "core" gamers. Sorry guys but that is the truth. The majority of sales are going to be parents buying for their kids. Parents who base their decisions on what they think is "neat" or "my kid would like that" or "Johnny loves halo!" They are not going to care about DRM ("Whats DRM?") backwards compatibility or anything else most of you are concerned about here.
So whoever comes up with the best marketing campaign will win. Period.
Core gamers are subculture, not mainstream. While vocal, its a minority. How many people do you really think read your opinions outside of gamer websites. Sorry but its true.
Its why abominations like the Transformers movies keep drawing at the Box Office, why Call of Duty may well make it to 20+ sequels.
Why the damn Kardashians are famous at all...

 

[Programmed_For_Damage]

I would like to propose a hypothetical scenario, based on worse-case fears.

What if in the end, Microsoft is right? What if, despite the various gamers, reviewers, internet polls, industry experts, technical experts and others say, the Xbox One sold like hotcakes? That their marketing guys were right, and the public at large utterly embraced, bought, and loved the new Xbox?

What would be the result? What if the PS4 utterly failed to sell because of the opposite, focusing on the gamers rather then the general public?

Would this all be a case of the loud minority? Would it be a sign of something wrong with society?

This question has been bothering me since the Xbox One came out, and I hated every single fact that they announced with it. A fear deep in my gut was screaming 'what if this really does sell like gang-busters?'

Would all this negative press flow away? Would people end up grudgingly accepting it's place under our TVs, or is this something that would never go away and die?

Capcha: Knock off. How dare you suggest I'm one!

You see this is exactly what I've been thinking. Microsoft can't seriously be that crazy and/or arrogant as to not only shoot themselves in the foot with the XBone launch, but to blow both their legs clean off. Surely, surely, somewhere in all the focus groups and meetings, etc, all these issues that gamers have raised since and prior to the reveal were already raised and Microsoft knew what they were in for. With all the money they are pouring into console, surely someone at some stage said "you know all this could potentially piss off our existing fanbase and explode in our faces".

And yet they did it anyway. This leads me to think that they are either totally insane, or they are sitting on a product that they know will shift by the boat load, despite gamers throwing a hissy fit. As a gamer I say they are insane, but as a person who likes to look for a bigger picture I'm not so sure. Only time will tell how this pans out.

 

[Zeh Don]

You see this is exactly what I've been thinking. Microsoft can't seriously be that crazy and/or arrogant as to not only shoot themselves in the foot with the XBone launch, but to blow both their legs clean off...

Why? Sony did exactly that with the Playstation 3.
Microsoft aiming to sell a games console - priced as a games console - to the non-gaming crowd. The people who don't use their Wiis, or their Xbox 360s, or even their Playstation 3s, for games aren't going to spend the kind of money Microsoft are going to charge for the Xbone to buy a system that doesn't offer anything new.
Nintendo are currently experiencing that problem with the Wii U - the people who bought it aren't the kind of people who buy the latest version of very expensive technology.

Microsoft stated with the Microsoft Surface Pro that they are not a "cheap alternative" and will not allow themselves to be viewed as such. They will not compete on price. They're going to charge a large amount of money for this thing. Who is honestly going to buy it - especially in this economy?

 

[Silvianoshei]

How does France have more support for the Xbone than the US? Do the french like Fantasy American Football now, or are they just being French?

 

[Zenn3k]

I don't see how they could fuck it badly enough. They already are using generic hardware, which keeps costs down and makes it easy to develop games. They shifted their attitude to a "we make a console for you to play games on", which has every gamer just happy as a clam.

Sony seems to have learned from their mistakes with the PS3 pretty well, M$ thinks is has a stronger lead on the competition than it actually does.

PS4 is going to dominate this generation, followed by the WiiU, with basically nobody giving a fudge about the Xbone. Thats my prediction anyway.