Poll: PS4, Xbox One and Used Games

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Something Amyss

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DarkSpartan said:
You agree to give them that right by not returning it promptly, in new condition. It's in the language of the EULA in question, which you agree to explicitly when you use the software the first time. Is it enforceable? Maybe.
No in several jurisdictions, yes in a couple, so "maybe" indeed,

Did you give them that right? According to the contract you "signed" by using the product, yes you did.
Unless it's not enforceable, or it's something you can't sign away, or it's not binding.
 

WeepingAngels

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WeepingAngels said:
DarkSpartan said:
WeepingAngels said:
DarkSpartan said:
Even then, that stipulation is most certainly part of the "boilerplate" on pretty much every piece of software since Sir Bill of Gates managed to use them to carve his Empire out of everyone's pocket.
Oh damn, you mean I don't own my NES, SNES, N64, PS1, PS2, GBA, DS, etc.... games? Those most certainly did come out after Bill Gates started licensing software.
More or less? There's similar language in nearly everything PC, and the same in a lot of the disc-based consoles. I haven't done a detailed read of the license terms for the consoles in a few years, but rest assured, that you are in fact licensing the software. You bought the rights to one only copy of the software for your personal enjoyment, not an indefinite right to copy/sell/etc the software.
Yes, I own my copy of the games. I do not own the copyright. Not owning the copyright doesn't mean I licensed my copy, I own my copy unless you can tell me what legal right Nintendo would have to take it back from me.
You agree to give them that right by not returning it promptly, in new condition. It's in the language of the EULA in question, which you agree to explicitly when you use the software the first time. Is it enforceable? Maybe.

Did you give them that right? According to the contract you "signed" by using the product, yes you did.
What right did I give Nintendo when I didn't return Secret of Evermore?

Better yet, when I bought that used copy of A Link to the Past on the SNES, what right did I give to Nintendo.

You guys are making this shit up as you go.
 

TomWiley

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TomWiley said:
To the best of my knowledge, both systems would default to "no restrictions", unless the publisher or Sony specifically defined the game otherwise.
Currently yes, but originally it wasn't like that so your OP is wrong.

People hated the original Xbone because it was restricted by default. That was the deal with the used games controversy. That is how the Xbone was different than the PS4. Yes they changed it so now it is the same, but it wasn't at first.
Thing is, the OP is one of the fiercest defenders of the Xbone (second only to The Uprising) on this site (you may recognize him better as a shoe), so his take his "anti-Sony, pro-Microsoft" stance with a grain of salt. On other sites, people would use a 6 letter word starting with "f" to describe him, but that's frowned upon here, so let's not call him that. Instead, let's use the PC term, "Avid supporter of Microsoft".


OP:
First of all, I'm pretty sure the same clause was built into the PS3 terms of service and that changed nothing for the used game/ rental industries.

Secondly: from Xbox Live's user agreements:
Microsoft may at any time regulate, control, modify and/or eliminate the game currency and/or virtual goods as it deems fit in its sole discretion.

All consumable currencies or virtual goods are forfeited if your account is terminated or suspended for any reason or if the Services are terminated or discontinued for any reason.
So they have an agreement whereby you can add funds to your MS wallet and they could just steal it from you with no compensation. I wonder how many times they've done just that - probably about even with the amount of times Sony will restrict used games sales on the PS4 I'd wager.

Conclusion: Cool story bro.
You have a list of the most "fiercest defenders" defenders of the Xbox One?
TehCookie said:
TomWiley said:
To the best of my knowledge, both systems would default to "no restrictions", unless the publisher or Sony specifically defined the game otherwise.
Currently yes, but originally it wasn't like that so your OP is wrong.

People hated the original Xbone because it was restricted by default. That was the deal with the used games controversy. That is how the Xbone was different than the PS4. Yes they changed it so now it is the same, but it wasn't at first.
So do you have any source of information to back that up with, or are you just guessing as this point? Because I'm pretty sure that's not even in the original conditions.
 

TehCookie

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TomWiley said:
So do you have any source of information to back that up with, or are you just guessing as this point? Because I'm pretty sure that's not even in the original conditions.
Well first I asked you to confirm it so I didn't have to google:
TomWiley said:
Well according to Microsoft, it was "in" by default. And I would presume Microsoft is an authority on Microsoft
Then you felt you has to waste time on what you know. Are you happy? If you don't like those google xbox game ban and you'll get plenty more.
http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Hopes+Developers+Will+Make+Xbox+One+Games+Unplayable+Offline/article31630.htm
http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Third+Party+Publishers+Can+Ban+Used+Xbox+One+Games+Charge+Fees/article31714.htm
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-720-Always-Bans-Used-Games-According-Edge-52287.html
If you can't understand that I have no more to say.

Besides, if the xbone is anything like the 360 it's going to have shitty games and an uncomfortable controller.
 

TomWiley

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TehCookie said:
TomWiley said:
So do you have any source of information to back that up with, or are you just guessing as this point? Because I'm pretty sure that's not even in the original conditions.
Well first I asked you to confirm it so I didn't have to google:
TomWiley said:
Well according to Microsoft, it was "in" by default. And I would presume Microsoft is an authority on Microsoft
Then you felt you has to waste time on what you know. Are you happy? If you don't like those google xbox game ban and you'll get plenty more.
http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Hopes+Developers+Will+Make+Xbox+One+Games+Unplayable+Offline/article31630.htm
http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Third+Party+Publishers+Can+Ban+Used+Xbox+One+Games+Charge+Fees/article31714.htm
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-720-Always-Bans-Used-Games-According-Edge-52287.html
If you can't understand that I have no more to say.

Besides, if the xbone is anything like the 360 it's going to have shitty games and an uncomfortable controller.
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean to indirectly prove that you have nothing to back up your arguments with by asking you to prove it. :)

Oh and yeah, replying to my point with completely subjective, absolutely irrelevant counter-points such as "xbone has a shitty controller" is definitely going to convince me. :)
 

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TomWiley said:
TehCookie said:
TomWiley said:
So do you have any source of information to back that up with, or are you just guessing as this point? Because I'm pretty sure that's not even in the original conditions.
Well first I asked you to confirm it so I didn't have to google:
TomWiley said:
Well according to Microsoft, it was "in" by default. And I would presume Microsoft is an authority on Microsoft
Then you felt you has to waste time on what you know. Are you happy? If you don't like those google xbox game ban and you'll get plenty more.
http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Hopes+Developers+Will+Make+Xbox+One+Games+Unplayable+Offline/article31630.htm
http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Third+Party+Publishers+Can+Ban+Used+Xbox+One+Games+Charge+Fees/article31714.htm
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-720-Always-Bans-Used-Games-According-Edge-52287.html
If you can't understand that I have no more to say.

Besides, if the xbone is anything like the 360 it's going to have shitty games and an uncomfortable controller.
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean to indirectly prove that you have nothing to back up your arguments with by asking you to prove it. :)

Oh and yeah, replying to my point with completely subjective, absolutely irrelevant counter-points such as "xbone has a shitty controller" is definitely going to convince me. :)
I provided the links as actual proof since you are as consistent as Xbone PR. Though for as much as you defend it I'm surprised you don't follow the news on your favorite console, you should be more familiar with it's policies than me.

I wasn't replying to your point or convincing you of anything. I was saying the xbone is a shitty console for me, which of course is subjective. The only reason you'd be bothered by it is if you were some zealous fanboy or something. Or perhaps other's PR remark wasn't far off track.
 

TomWiley

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TehCookie said:
TomWiley said:
TehCookie said:
TomWiley said:
So do you have any source of information to back that up with, or are you just guessing as this point? Because I'm pretty sure that's not even in the original conditions.
Well first I asked you to confirm it so I didn't have to google:
TomWiley said:
Well according to Microsoft, it was "in" by default. And I would presume Microsoft is an authority on Microsoft
Then you felt you has to waste time on what you know. Are you happy? If you don't like those google xbox game ban and you'll get plenty more.
http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Hopes+Developers+Will+Make+Xbox+One+Games+Unplayable+Offline/article31630.htm
http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Third+Party+Publishers+Can+Ban+Used+Xbox+One+Games+Charge+Fees/article31714.htm
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-720-Always-Bans-Used-Games-According-Edge-52287.html
If you can't understand that I have no more to say.

Besides, if the xbone is anything like the 360 it's going to have shitty games and an uncomfortable controller.
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean to indirectly prove that you have nothing to back up your arguments with by asking you to prove it. :)

Oh and yeah, replying to my point with completely subjective, absolutely irrelevant counter-points such as "xbone has a shitty controller" is definitely going to convince me. :)
I provided the links as actual proof since you are as consistent as Xbone PR. Though for as much as you defend it I'm surprised you don't follow the news on your favorite console, you should be more familiar with it's policies than me.

I wasn't replying to your point or convincing you of anything. I was saying the xbone is a shitty console for me, which of course is subjective. The only reason you'd be bothered by it is if you were some zealous fanboy or something. Or perhaps other's PR remark wasn't far off track.
Well none of those links really prove what you're saying. In fact, they don't even seem to have much to do with the issue at all. One of them is before the console and its policies were even revealed (you should have noticed that they are calling the Xbox One freaking 720), the other doesn't have any source and the third quotes speculation regarding used-game fees that have been directly proven wrong since (and doesn't even have anything to do with the question).

It feels like you made your statement first, just to question my original post more than anything else, and now afterwards, you're trying to find links to back it up with.

There doesn't seem to be any proof or anything even remotely concrete to suggest that used games on the original Xbox One was "off" by default.

And I'm pretty sure it's impossible to prove because it doesn't make any sense to begin with because retail and publisher deals between Microsoft and major publishers doesn't come with a bloody "click to approve used-games" button. That's just not how it works.