Poll: Rage Against The Machine For Christmas Number 1?

[rokkolpo]

yeah why not.

it would be fun.....for an hour.
i'm not contributing but i would like to see it happen.

just think of all the angry letters,all the moms who have to mute the radio every time it comes around.

 

[cartzo]

Fuck no. I'm not going to by some single from a mainstream band that is complete shit just to "stick it to" some other mainstream institution that I perceive as being complete shit. On a related note, everyone who is is a complete pillock.

i hate people that hate bands for simply being mainstream oh you have to so different dont you. there is a reason for them being mainstream

They are mainstream because they are shit. As is the mainstream.

Also, your user name is a disgrace to me. Get off my lawn.

so what happens when your sidecourse-stream band that you like goes mainstream?

p.s. im the fluffier one around here back off!

Bands that I like are completely authentically alt, they would never go mainstream.

p.s. Get your 41 posts ass of my lawn.

what kind of fucking moron goes on a forum and directly insults an entire group of people.

 

[rokkolpo]

what is rage against the machine and what is x factor

You sir, need to get outside.

yeah....you may just be the person from your avatar.

 

[Zombie_Fish]

Come on people! BUY RAGE! The song is currently 2nd on Itunes, 2nd and third on Amazon, but first on HMV and PLay!

BUY IT! Its only 29p off amazon.co.uk

You do realise any digital downloads sold for less than 40p don't get counted in the UK singles chart, so buying it off of Amazon for 29p wouldn't even help this campaign, right?

Source [http://www.theofficialcharts.com/docs/Official%20UK%20Singles%20Chart%20Rules%20August%202009.pdf] -- Look at page 5 for the rules stating this.

Digital Minimum Dealer Price £0.40p : Only tracks with a minimum PPD of 40 pence or more shall be eligible for the Official Singles Chart. In the event that a record company has an alternative business model for the sale of downloads (i.e., one not based on a published dealer price), the price charged to the online digital retailer should not be less than 32 pence per track. OCC will monitor sales to ensure they are 'genuine sales'. Where OCC judges sales not to be genuine, they may be excluded from the chart at OCC's absolute discretion.

Besides, there really isn't much point in doing it. As The Maddest March Hare and other users have already said, we're just replacing one piece of popular music with one piece of slightly less popular music. And why Killing in the Name anyway, as if that has anything to do with X Factor or is anti-mainstream whatsoever.

If you want any other reasons why I can't be bothered to take part in this campaign, check out this post [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.159799?page=3#4028979].

Spoiler: Obligatory Zack de la Rocha picture in response to this thread

 

[bigolbear]

as it goes of sales rather than money value sold any artist wanting number 1 should just sell there single at a massive loss (say 1 pence per disc) acompanied by a massive advertising campain. Theres a fair few artists that could afford to do this.

personaly i couldnt give a damn about the singles charts - despite being a bit of a musician my self and having seen more live bands than i can name, cant remember the last single i bought.

 

[EMFCRACKSHOT]

NO!!! It should be Journey Don't stop believing

No. Journey sucks. Only one song of them is good, and that's "Anyway You Want It".

And the Rise Against cover of that song is far better than the original.

And yes, i will be buying it. Not only to fuck over Xfactor because it deserves it for being shit, but because i actually do think Rage Against the Machine are awesome

 

[Zombie_Fish]

as it goes of sales rather than money value sold any artist wanting number 1 should just sell there single at a massive loss (say 1 pence per disc) acompanied by a massive advertising campain. Theres a fair few artists that could afford to do this.

I've already explained why that trick wouldn't work in this thread, otherwise Radiohead could've topped the singles chart with any song from In Rainbows easily, since each song of that album needed to be downloaded seperately and all they would need to do is declare each one a single.

You do realise any digital downloads sold for less than 40p don't get counted in the UK singles chart, so buying it off of Amazon for 29p wouldn't even help this campaign, right?

Source [http://www.theofficialcharts.com/docs/Official%20UK%20Singles%20Chart%20Rules%20August%202009.pdf] -- Look at page 5 for the rules stating this.

Digital Minimum Dealer Price £0.40p : Only tracks with a minimum PPD of 40 pence or more shall be eligible for the Official Singles Chart. In the event that a record company has an alternative business model for the sale of downloads (i.e., one not based on a published dealer price), the price charged to the online digital retailer should not be less than 32 pence per track. OCC will monitor sales to ensure they are 'genuine sales'. Where OCC judges sales not to be genuine, they may be excluded from the chart at OCC's absolute discretion.

And that's for digital downloads. The minumum price for CDs is higher depending on how many tracks are on the CD.

 

[bigolbear]

as it goes of sales rather than money value sold any artist wanting number 1 should just sell there single at a massive loss (say 1 pence per disc) acompanied by a massive advertising campain. Theres a fair few artists that could afford to do this.

I've already explained why that trick wouldn't work in this thread, otherwise Radiohead could've topped the singles chart with any song from In Rainbows easily, since each song of that album needed to be downloaded seperately and all they would need to do is declare each one a single.

You do realise any digital downloads sold for less than 40p don't get counted in the UK singles chart, so buying it off of Amazon for 29p wouldn't even help this campaign, right?

Source [http://www.theofficialcharts.com/docs/Official%20UK%20Singles%20Chart%20Rules%20August%202009.pdf] -- Look at page 5 for the rules stating this.

Digital Minimum Dealer Price £0.40p : Only tracks with a minimum PPD of 40 pence or more shall be eligible for the Official Singles Chart. In the event that a record company has an alternative business model for the sale of downloads (i.e., one not based on a published dealer price), the price charged to the online digital retailer should not be less than 32 pence per track. OCC will monitor sales to ensure they are 'genuine sales'. Where OCC judges sales not to be genuine, they may be excluded from the chart at OCC's absolute discretion.

And that's for digital downloads. The minumum price for CDs is higher depending on how many tracks is on the CD.

fair enuf, i missed yer point about that and i didnt know that info. You live and learn i guess. either way i still think the whole chart system sucks and is totaly un representative of what music people are actualy listening to.

 

[Taerdin]

You think that I'm not going to care if it's between 1 and 2 quid, but I am if it's 79p? Seriously?

Well you went out of your way to correct my statement, so apparently you do. I was just showing how I was clearly correct and you were clearly mistaken.

Also people are missing the point in this thread, maybe not you and maybe not everyone, but some people are. Not caring =/= missing the point, but stating that clearly shows that you missed the point.

 

[tk1989]

Come on people! BUY RAGE! The song is currently 2nd on Itunes, 2nd and third on Amazon, but first on HMV and PLay!

BUY IT! Its only 29p off amazon.co.uk

You do realise any digital downloads sold for less than 40p don't get counted in the UK singles chart, so buying it off of Amazon for 29p wouldn't even help this campaign, right?

Source [http://www.theofficialcharts.com/docs/Official%20UK%20Singles%20Chart%20Rules%20August%202009.pdf] -- Look at page 5 for the rules stating this.

Digital Minimum Dealer Price £0.40p : Only tracks with a minimum PPD of 40 pence or more shall be eligible for the Official Singles Chart. In the event that a record company has an alternative business model for the sale of downloads (i.e., one not based on a published dealer price), the price charged to the online digital retailer should not be less than 32 pence per track. OCC will monitor sales to ensure they are 'genuine sales'. Where OCC judges sales not to be genuine, they may be excluded from the chart at OCC's absolute discretion.

Im sorry, but the amazon price is subsidiesed from 40p. Amazon.co.uk are selling it at a loss from 40p, which means they are losing 11p from each copy sold. Because the actual price sold for the record is over 40p then is it still counts. They are reducing the price significantly in order to attract new customers, its similar to how the business started out. Look at this page if u want to know more:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/tag/mp3/forum/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx28IXQIV6LBRU4&cdMsgNo=24&cdPage=1&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx3U7MN4WDHUQUA&cdMsgID=Mx1V43X5O8FDTWD#Mx1V43X5O8FDTWD

You may not be interested in taking part in the campaign, and i respect that. But other people may be. In fact, Tom Morello has supported the campaign, which is enough for me: http://twitter.com/tmorello

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Not caring =/= missing the point, but stating that clearly shows that you missed the point.

Your logic is unfathomable.

I don't care about the charts, I gave up on them when I was 9. I simply don't care. I see the point of the campaign, I hate Simon Cowell as much as the next sane person. However, the campaign in general defies the point of the charts. The charts are there to show what people are buying and what people like, not just to stick in the face of some rich guy.

Ok, so I was wrong, perhaps I do care.

I don't like this campaign. Not to say I like Cowell's manufactured crap, or that I don't like RATM, but I feel the campaign is almost as bad as the X Factor itself. One of the big reasons behind the campaign is that people don't like the feeling that 'artist X' or 'track X' is amazing and that we must go out and buy it. The whole "Fuck you I won't do what you tell me". The campaign is almost as bad, except it's organised by trendy little Facebook kids instead of Simon fucking Cowell. Cowell's only slightly more of a dick.

Like the people who organised the campaign, I don't want to be told what to buy.

You say I have missed the point? I disagree. you, just like the whole campaign, have missed the point. You've missed the point of the charts. You might not like what's on them, but the charts themself are an honest representation of what's popular, and this is disrupting that in a storm of fashion kids and Guitar Hero boys who are doing it just go against the mainstream.

Fuck that shit, I'm going to listen to what I feel like listening to over christmas. Maybe I should start another campaign; 'Listen to whatever the hell you like'

 

[NIHILHATE]

Being British I would hate for that too happen. X Factor is an interesting and intelligent show, the "pop music" as you call it has brought about some very talented people and I am glad that it happened.

Seriously though; Killing in the name isn't that good of a song, but I would love to rub it in the face of my friends who are crackers for the X Factor.

Being British I would LOVE for that to happen. The X factor is nothing but soulless, processed bullshit, there's nothing "intelligent" about it in the slightest, and listening to/buying the music is basically sucking on the tiny, shrivelled cock of Simon Cowell.
He's killing music.

 

[Willwillwritehiswill]

I think Mastodon deserve much more credit than what they get. They're fucking geniuses and their latest album is probably one of the best of the past few years. I say we buy that.

I second this motion... With a vengeance.
(seriously, i love mastodon, saw them live at Sonisphere festival. going to see them in february. Planning to get a tattoo of some of their slightly more obscure album art.)
On topic, I bought RATM's single simply because A. It's a good song and certainly deserving of more attention. B. It shows that not everyone is the gurning idiot i thought they all were (Susan Boyle's album being the most preordered of all time keeping the scales balanced, however.) and C. Frankly, fuck the xfactor. Talent phone-in shows are nothing more than massive money spinners for all involved and the public seem to lap it all up. Not mentioning the amount of stress it puts on the average contestant. Oh, also Jedward. *shudder*

So, i hope Rage make it to number one. I hope we ruin this guy's one chance to get a christmas number one. I hope he fades into obscurity faster than any big brother contestant you can't name. I hope not even panto will take him. These shows need to die and make way for quality television.

 

[Mr. Brightside]

I purchased it last night off iTunes.

 

[Rancid0ffspring]

This will never happen! Besides, none of you should care.

If you would rather listen to RATM, then chances are you never pay attention to the charts anyway. Spend your money on some music that you do not already own.

EDIT: BTW this has been tried every year since X-factor started & has also failed every year too.

DEAL WITH IT

 

[Zombie_Fish]

Im sorry, but the amazon price is subsidiesed from 40p. Amazon.co.uk are selling it at a loss from 40p, which means they are losing 11p from each copy sold. Because the actual price sold for the record is over 40p then is it still counts. They are reducing the price significantly in order to attract new customers, its similar to how the business started out. Look at this page if u want to know more:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/tag/mp3/forum/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx28IXQIV6LBRU4&cdMsgNo=24&cdPage=1&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx3U7MN4WDHUQUA&cdMsgID=Mx1V43X5O8FDTWD#Mx1V43X5O8FDTWD

There are two versions of the single on Amazon, and the staff in that thread you listed don't specify which one they mean. Seeing as one costs 79p which would be legitimate for the charts, until they mention whether they mean one or the other or both, I can't assume that they didn't mean just the 79p version. Besides, by that logic a dealer could simply give a single away for free and pay the 40p themself.

If you can prove that they're talking about the 29p version (and get Amazon saying it, seeing as they would be the most reliable source in this case, instead of users just saying that they mean the 29p version) as well as the 79p version then I'll listen to whatever you're talking about.

You may not be interested in taking part in the campaign, and i respect that. But other people may be. In fact, Tom Morello has supported the campaign, which is enough for me: http://twitter.com/tmorello

I find the fact that Tom Morello supports the campaign hardly surprising, seeing as he, you know, wrote the song and everything so he would, you know, get money from his song being number one in the singles chart [http://media.photobucket.com/image/vested%20interest/97249/VestedInterest.jpg].

EDIT: Thanks for respecting my opinion on this, though. I appreciate that.

 

[Taerdin]

Ok, so I was wrong

Apology accepted. Friends now?

 

[TwistedEllipses]

This will never happen! Besides, none of you should care.

If you would rather listen to RATM, then chances are you never pay attention to the charts anyway. Spend your money on some music that you do not already own.

EDIT: BTW this has been tried every year since X-factor started & has also failed every year too.

DEAL WITH IT

With that attitude, no it won't succeed.

It's actually going fairly well at the moment with RAGM ahead of X-factor by 10%:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a191497/mcelderry-trails-rage-in-xmas-no1-battle.html

...of course I don't expect it to actually succeed, but you might as well give them a run for their money...

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Ok, so I was wrong

Apology accepted. Friends now?

So long as you read the whole post, we're ok now.

 

[Nietz]

I'm such a non-conformist that I won't conform to Rage against the machine!
(you see what I did there? South Park ref.)