Poll: Realistic Avatar VS Avatar
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Walking on dangerous grounds there... What is more expensive, paying a million dollars for a new helicopter, or ending up with 10 mourning widows and 20 crying kids. Or you could simply state that freedom is worth more than all those things. But in the end, both sides lose.Doitpow said:
Attach a telephone pole to the next ship headed there. When it begins deceleration, detach it. After the dust settles, send a message down: "hey look, we can divebomb things with arrows too! Now how about you go find another tree somewhere far away."
i had this enormous post talking about sweat to bread ratios and stuff but it got to the point where i didn't understand it
if i were the RDA i would have carried on with what i was doing but i would have shot that pesky marine before he got all my enemies together you try with the agreement first while you are doing that you take a look fore more of the stuff you need in a cheaper to extract location however from what i understood from the film this was the cheapest place to get it even with the natives mucking it up for me
since the plants and crap seam to be useful that rules orbital bombardment out
so since the natives refuse to give up the minerals and its too much of a pain in the arse to get it else were the cheapest option is to go in with shock and awe shoot as many of the buggers as you can with orbital fire support and gratuitous amounts of defoliant around your mines the lives of a few troops is far out weighed by the profits and you can sell the corpses off for stuff art or something i wouldn't mind a few stuffed Indians in my house
if i were the RDA i would have carried on with what i was doing but i would have shot that pesky marine before he got all my enemies together you try with the agreement first while you are doing that you take a look fore more of the stuff you need in a cheaper to extract location however from what i understood from the film this was the cheapest place to get it even with the natives mucking it up for me
since the plants and crap seam to be useful that rules orbital bombardment out
so since the natives refuse to give up the minerals and its too much of a pain in the arse to get it else were the cheapest option is to go in with shock and awe shoot as many of the buggers as you can with orbital fire support and gratuitous amounts of defoliant around your mines the lives of a few troops is far out weighed by the profits and you can sell the corpses off for stuff art or something i wouldn't mind a few stuffed Indians in my house
gragimor said:
shrugs, wasn't moralizing, I'd say ten dead men is worth more then ten thousand helicopters, but in a profit sense, they can afford more men than you can replace helicopters. Either way, the fanatic side can keep fighting longer.
Why do most people here seem to support the invaders anyhoo? bit cold no?
I don't know. A few years ago (Like, a lot of few years ago) our mentality was "Go in and kill 'em", but the world is getting so PC that I'm not really sure how we'd react to aliens in the future. Greet them with teddy-bears?
Yes... But we would be able to set foot on the planet due to all the radiation, and it would likely make the entire point of going to the planet (getting a resource) useless, because the unobtanium would be in such a bad condition.JEBWrench said:
If we're talking realistic, then I'd imagine that Corperations would behave in a manner somewhat more advanced than 19th Century Imperialism. Pandora strikes me as a newly discovered planet which the humans have a limited presence on. They are not going to start the massacre of the indigenous population, especially when we can assume that humans haven't met all that many other alien races yet. You think we'd be more willing to treat them with kid gloves.
Then there is the annoying, yet all too common assumption that corperations are run by selfish, heartless jerks who want nothing other than money, and are willing to do anything to get what they want. Our society is a funny one; a single old man in a toy shop making toys for kids is looked on more kindly than a massive, international corperation that makes millions of toys for millions of kids. Especially when we can assume that the toy corperation probably started out as a single old man in a toy shop in the first place. Why can't we assume that corperations actually want to do something good and for the betterment of the World?
Another problem is that we never know what Unobtainium is actually used for, other then it is worth lots of money. For all we know, Unobtainium might be the only thing keeping the entire human race alive (hence its value). Surely then it looks like a vital necessity for humans to be deposing entire tribes. Especially when it becomes apparent that Na'vi are living in tribes all over the planet, suggesting that these Na'vi will be able to live somewhere else with relative ease.
Then there is the annoying, yet all too common assumption that corperations are run by selfish, heartless jerks who want nothing other than money, and are willing to do anything to get what they want. Our society is a funny one; a single old man in a toy shop making toys for kids is looked on more kindly than a massive, international corperation that makes millions of toys for millions of kids. Especially when we can assume that the toy corperation probably started out as a single old man in a toy shop in the first place. Why can't we assume that corperations actually want to do something good and for the betterment of the World?
Another problem is that we never know what Unobtainium is actually used for, other then it is worth lots of money. For all we know, Unobtainium might be the only thing keeping the entire human race alive (hence its value). Surely then it looks like a vital necessity for humans to be deposing entire tribes. Especially when it becomes apparent that Na'vi are living in tribes all over the planet, suggesting that these Na'vi will be able to live somewhere else with relative ease.
Try to reach an agreement. If they say "but..." blast their asses off that rock (from orbit of course).
I'd first talk to them. Explain to them that cooperation can be beneficial to both of us (I get the unobtainium, they get technology or medicine or soap or glass beads or whatever those things need most), and that resistance means orbital bombardment. Looks like I've got me a juicy carrot and a really big stick.
If they agree, hooray for me. If they don't (because it's their sacred tree or whatever voodoo crap), I'll have to show them I don't make empty threats.
If they agree, hooray for me. If they don't (because it's their sacred tree or whatever voodoo crap), I'll have to show them I don't make empty threats.
Why not just drop something heavy (like a metal pod?) right on top of the tree from orbit turning it into matchsticks? Use the destructive power of gravity?
Twould be an interesting way of doing it and theres the added advantage of no radioactive fallout.
Just drop a ton of them turning anything they land near/on into a fine mush. Bonus points if they're actually drop pods.
Twould be an interesting way of doing it and theres the added advantage of no radioactive fallout.
Just drop a ton of them turning anything they land near/on into a fine mush. Bonus points if they're actually drop pods.
When they bring the magic tree of life into the mix, how the corperation would act is the least of Avatar's logic blunders.masterchevyman said:
Though in the company's position, I would threaten orbital bombardment unless they don't move, bomb a few places if they can't comprehend that, mine that one area with that one metal, leave, and swim in money.
I would use a stereo with a really loud sound system playing some hardcore metal to drive them off their land... then jump in with the digging mechs.
No harm no foul
No harm no foul
Unforotnatly the corperation is written lie every other corperation is in Science Fiction, completely evil and stupid. They basically run the company like Umbrella or the one from Aliens that wastes huge amounts of money for a blind and evil goal that has repeatably failed time, and time, and time, again.maninahat said:
Well i watched pocahuntas Avatar sorry, a completely original not ripped off disny movie and thought the whole story was silly. The indians Aliens could, you know, mine it for them, or just find a way to extract it without burning it all. The talking willowTree of souls is pretty hardy looking, im sure a few tunnels wouldnt hurt. damn American explorers American explorers. Oh. Some similarity. Also Johnake Smithully was a very boring character. And the Corperation was just stupid evil. like hitler evil. Normal evil is like this. "I want the ore, make them move! lets just build the mine anyway". Avatar evil is "BURN THE (TREE) WOMEN AND CHILDREN WITH FIRE!"
Personally, i thought that teh Movie hit on this element pretty well
1. A mining company would not have access to the best weapons, thus the helicopters and a big flying thing that looked like a hovercraft from the Matrix (same with the mechs) in the place of Gundams, Jets and satelite cannons and why they had to rig a shuttle in the place of a real bomber. And wven their "dasiy cutters" were just flats of Mining explosives, rather than real bombs.
2. Just looking at the iraq war, the world has a problem when companies go into an area and mow down anyone who looks at them funny. Public opnion still matters and even teh RDA has to have some fear of thier stockholders who would take really badly to the slaughter of the blue cat peoples for no reason other than a shiny rock who's only real application is military. Besides, the NA'vi looked distrubingly human and were so pure in thier intentions and culture, that many would have a hard time justifying thier extinction.
3. THe Aliens have a signifigant little advantage, IE get a couple of thousand of them together and they can stomp over you "help is six year away" ass. Do the words, General Custer, mean anything. That and the Na'vi are ten feet tall and wield bows that have roughly the same amount of power as a ballista. they also have dragons, so there.
4. Teh scientists at teh base obviously had some fondness for the planet, so going on a rampage would have caused a little bit of division, something that is not good when you are 6 years away from the nearest supply depot.
5. It is much easier to try and make friends than fight a war. They tried that at first, with the schools and the english programs (things probably went bad about the time they broke out shakespear, or maybe that was just my highschool). If you think about what the RDA stood to lose if they went bannanas, it is perfectly reasonable that they tried the peace route first. that, and the peace route worked, until the RDA started killing the planet and eagerly eyeing hometree and rubbing thier palms together, cackling evily.
6. The RDA is a company, not an army, if you remeber it was Quartich, an EX military type, who basically hijacked the base when he was launching his attack.
1. A mining company would not have access to the best weapons, thus the helicopters and a big flying thing that looked like a hovercraft from the Matrix (same with the mechs) in the place of Gundams, Jets and satelite cannons and why they had to rig a shuttle in the place of a real bomber. And wven their "dasiy cutters" were just flats of Mining explosives, rather than real bombs.
2. Just looking at the iraq war, the world has a problem when companies go into an area and mow down anyone who looks at them funny. Public opnion still matters and even teh RDA has to have some fear of thier stockholders who would take really badly to the slaughter of the blue cat peoples for no reason other than a shiny rock who's only real application is military. Besides, the NA'vi looked distrubingly human and were so pure in thier intentions and culture, that many would have a hard time justifying thier extinction.
3. THe Aliens have a signifigant little advantage, IE get a couple of thousand of them together and they can stomp over you "help is six year away" ass. Do the words, General Custer, mean anything. That and the Na'vi are ten feet tall and wield bows that have roughly the same amount of power as a ballista. they also have dragons, so there.
4. Teh scientists at teh base obviously had some fondness for the planet, so going on a rampage would have caused a little bit of division, something that is not good when you are 6 years away from the nearest supply depot.
5. It is much easier to try and make friends than fight a war. They tried that at first, with the schools and the english programs (things probably went bad about the time they broke out shakespear, or maybe that was just my highschool). If you think about what the RDA stood to lose if they went bannanas, it is perfectly reasonable that they tried the peace route first. that, and the peace route worked, until the RDA started killing the planet and eagerly eyeing hometree and rubbing thier palms together, cackling evily.
6. The RDA is a company, not an army, if you remeber it was Quartich, an EX military type, who basically hijacked the base when he was launching his attack.