Apparently I didn't make this obvious before and I'd like to clarify something. I speak in reference more to INTENT to alienate, or just things that are outright no good. As mentioned at the end of my OP, this is a direct response to the Virgin Mary thread then anything else. Though I do also speak in reference to the many, many Religion threads, the whole point I tried to make was to not intentionally insult others. Like I said, this includes all sides, not just mine.
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Wrong. If someone is unable to express their views in such a way that they do not offend other people then that is their problem, not the problem of others.JMeganSnow said:
"I feel that there is no god because, for me, there is simply not enough evidence for me to believe in such a thing", does not alienate anyone or antagonize those who are religious.
"If you could reason with religious people there wouldn't be any religious people by definition. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.105312?page=2#1691376]", are the words of a bigoted moron who really shouldn't be posting in such issues.
It is not difficult for those with simple social skills to discuss such a thing without insulting or belittling others. All it takes is a little respect and courtesy.
No, being able to cope with the differing views of another while remaining completely friendly with them is completely normal. If you can't be friendly with someone who holds different views then there is something very obviously wrong with you. What you are describing is social retardation (and I use the word "retardation" in its proper form). It is easy to associate and to like people who are 'your kind of person'. But people who aren't, people who are different and like different things, it is obviously harder. But this is exactly what social skills are. The ability to form bonds and friendships with different people. I don't find it impossible, not at all. In fact I find it difficult to dislike someone for having views different to mine. I find it easy to dislike intolerance, bigotry, or hatred. But differences of views? Hell, my girlfriend is a Buddhist and holds beliefs vastly different to my own, but I love her just as much as I would if she were a Christian, atheist, or whatever else.JMeganSnow said:
Ok is it originallity we are going for? It would be nice to have an actual discussion rather than having someone jump down my throat, or put "exhibit A" or "exhibit B" under my posts. I'm a christian, and I can accept other people's beleifs and opinions. I would like to read one religious discussion thread that was civil, and one without hearing the term: hardcore religious nut.Ignignoct said:
I have no opposition to the notion of "Faith". Orgranized religion, however, has caused so much pain and death and destruction. The whole, "My God is better than your God, mine is the true god, and therefore you dirty heretics need to die" archetype, is exceptionally troublesome.
Organized religions have been negatively affecting points of view for a long time, because different people will ALWAYS think differently. Blindly following a doctrine for no better reason than "I was raised with it" is quite closed minded and unenlightened.
That being said, not everything about religion is bad. The sense of friendship and community that people get every Sunday (or whichever Sabbath) is wonderful, but why is it that people need to go there, practice outdated and man made rites, to feel that good. Why can't it be done from the comfort of ones own home, or in the workplace?
Being an agnostic with conviction, I believe in a higher power. Why is it that people can't be inspired by the world around us, without saying You're bad because you worship something thats different from what I worship. And c'mon, do you really think that a universe creating being is that insecure that they'll destroy everything to get at a few nonbelievers?
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Organized religions have been negatively affecting points of view for a long time, because different people will ALWAYS think differently. Blindly following a doctrine for no better reason than "I was raised with it" is quite closed minded and unenlightened.
That being said, not everything about religion is bad. The sense of friendship and community that people get every Sunday (or whichever Sabbath) is wonderful, but why is it that people need to go there, practice outdated and man made rites, to feel that good. Why can't it be done from the comfort of ones own home, or in the workplace?
Being an agnostic with conviction, I believe in a higher power. Why is it that people can't be inspired by the world around us, without saying You're bad because you worship something thats different from what I worship. And c'mon, do you really think that a universe creating being is that insecure that they'll destroy everything to get at a few nonbelievers?
/rant
Any time you're ready, bro. We were talkin' 'bout the homos before, not religion, and I didn't say anything untrue.ExaltedK9 said:
I haven't said it, but when you hear someone call all religious people nuts, just relax. It's foolish, naive, and you're only hurting yourself to care about it.
TL;DR Put on your big-boy pants.
Personally, I wish all the people on the Escapist could be mature enough to discuss religion without it ending up as flame wars. Yes, people have strong opinions, but they should be able to accept that other people think differently.
But then again, I tend to keep quiet about religion anyway. It's a bit of a touchy topic with me.
But then again, I tend to keep quiet about religion anyway. It's a bit of a touchy topic with me.
Yea I know anybody who says it hold no credibility on the matter but...Okay, If someone told you John Wayne wasn't that good an actor (even though you know it's not true it would bother you. (provided you like John Wayne movies) Same principle.Ignignoct said:
Hello all, first time post here. I read a few of the religious topic posts on the forum, but yes most degenerate (or begin as) flame wars, internet equivalent of the loud angry couple at the table behind you at the restaurant.
I graduated as a religious studies major, and I consider it a meta-field of study (for lack of a better word), because it encompasses almost every aspect of life. Including gaming; Assassin's Creed, Star Wars, hell Diablo, why not?
So as a valid topic, well, why not? Many people have empirical "knowledge" of different religions upon which they base their claims, I think the problem we're actually talking about is apologetics, without the pejorative connotations. People trying to defend or attack faith based on reason.
I graduated as a religious studies major, and I consider it a meta-field of study (for lack of a better word), because it encompasses almost every aspect of life. Including gaming; Assassin's Creed, Star Wars, hell Diablo, why not?
So as a valid topic, well, why not? Many people have empirical "knowledge" of different religions upon which they base their claims, I think the problem we're actually talking about is apologetics, without the pejorative connotations. People trying to defend or attack faith based on reason.
Erm, what the....? Religion is something I'm not happy to talk about. Partly because of how immature people are, and partly because I still get confused about my own beliefs.Ignignoct said:
So it's easier to avoid all the, "OMG, you think that? That's so dumb, cos there's all the proof you're wrong" etc etc.
Or the fanatics from the other side don't start telling everyone that there is no god and that people who do not share that belief are stupid and are wasting their lives. The fundamental problem is one extreme (the anti-religious extreme) is accepted while the other is not. Neither side should be tolerated.Kirra said:
People on here are too childish most of the time. Most grown-up discussions usually revolve around childish things like... ponies, which is awesome.
Apparently all the morons partake in the serious discussion though, and make the rest of us look like dickheads.
Apparently all the morons partake in the serious discussion though, and make the rest of us look like dickheads.
And this.cuddly_tomato said:
I just love having a chance to use my degree...
It has no applicability in real life so I've paid $20,000 to yell at people on the internet and I am going to do just that.
It has no applicability in real life so I've paid $20,000 to yell at people on the internet and I am going to do just that.
I find it absolutely outrages that religion goes to unrelated topics. Now i believe in god I also believe in evolution my thoughts on Jesus are mixed but Ive NEVER gone to church Ive been a Buddhist and am i oracle of a fake religion for tax breaks (I'm the prophet 
) I'm OK with Abortion , OK with same sex whatever And OK with masturbating Ive been doing it since i was 10
i wanted to say all that before any one calls me out.
What the hell is with random people judging other people for not doing what they believe i don't believe i have encountered it here but its widely on the internet religion should be YOUR personal belief YOUR personal Choice and YOUR personal opinion When the 3 personal's get violated It goes into abortion clinics getting blown up, suicide bombing buildings and 6 million people dieing i read in article saying that some religions book burners of the 50's
had a need to bully people.
That article was a little odd about the book burners peer pressure probably played a part in it but all I'm saying is the reason P.E.T.A Throws blood at people with fur coats instead of people wearing leather is because its easier to Harass old lady's then it is to Harass Bikers.
) I'm OK with Abortion , OK with same sex whatever And OK with masturbating Ive been doing it since i was 10i wanted to say all that before any one calls me out.
What the hell is with random people judging other people for not doing what they believe i don't believe i have encountered it here but its widely on the internet religion should be YOUR personal belief YOUR personal Choice and YOUR personal opinion When the 3 personal's get violated It goes into abortion clinics getting blown up, suicide bombing buildings and 6 million people dieing i read in article saying that some religions book burners of the 50's
had a need to bully people.
That article was a little odd about the book burners peer pressure probably played a part in it but all I'm saying is the reason P.E.T.A Throws blood at people with fur coats instead of people wearing leather is because its easier to Harass old lady's then it is to Harass Bikers.