in which case, call me a close-minded idiot. there is certainty in my mind about the non-existance of GodCliff_m85 said:I think you misunderstand. Ofcouse there are people like that. I don't respect them and I also think that they are being closeminded idiots. I understand they exist and understand why they believe with such certainty, but I certainly don't respect them.Kellett said:what you have to think about is that if someone is certain of something in their own mind, then no amount of persuasion will change that, and that is why people will be a one or a sevenCliff_m85 said:Anyone who is a 1 or a 7 are not really that intelligent in my opinion, since there is always a chance for me to be wrong I can't see how someone can be certain of something that can't be proven. I'm a 6.9
Hello, Giraffy.sebar nl said:i'm 6.00 cause its very VERY unlikely that there is a god but you just cant be a 100% certain about these things, can you?
0Cliff_m85 said:I think you misunderstand. Ofcouse there are people like that. I don't respect them and I also think that they are being closeminded idiots. I understand they exist and understand why they believe with such certainty, but I certainly don't respect them.Kellett said:what you have to think about is that if someone is certain of something in their own mind, then no amount of persuasion will change that, and that is why people will be a one or a sevenCliff_m85 said:Anyone who is a 1 or a 7 are not really that intelligent in my opinion, since there is always a chance for me to be wrong I can't see how someone can be certain of something that can't be proven. I'm a 6.9
man, i love that book. its like reading a giant rant from a very smart person. im also a 6.9 kinda guy.Kpt._Rob said:I'm going to put myself in the area of 6.9.
Nice choice on scale btw. Did you get it from the God Delusion? I know that's where I first saw this scale.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.Cliff_m85 said:Anyone who is a 1 or a 7 are not really that intelligent in my opinion, since there is always a chance for me to be wrong I can't see how someone can be certain of something that can't be proven. I'm a 6.9
Why?Baby Tea said:I'm 100% certain there is a God.
And I'm equally as certain that it is the God of Christianity.
Indeed!Lullabye said:... we all need to agree on what "god" is first so we can come to an arrangement. Because omnipotent and all powerful are kinda vague....what qualify s as all powerful anyways? ... the god concept was invented by people, that much i know.
So if God, who I severely doubt exists, presented himself to you and with scientific methods we determined he was infact the deity of the Christian religion....you would still not believe?Kellett said:in which case, call me a close-minded idiot. there is certainty in my mind about the non-existance of GodCliff_m85 said:I think you misunderstand. Ofcouse there are people like that. I don't respect them and I also think that they are being closeminded idiots. I understand they exist and understand why they believe with such certainty, but I certainly don't respect them.Kellett said:what you have to think about is that if someone is certain of something in their own mind, then no amount of persuasion will change that, and that is why people will be a one or a sevenCliff_m85 said:Anyone who is a 1 or a 7 are not really that intelligent in my opinion, since there is always a chance for me to be wrong I can't see how someone can be certain of something that can't be proven. I'm a 6.9
I'm a 6.9 as well and Agnosticism is really inane. It doesn't answer the question of 'do you believe' at all. Ofcourse all evidence points to there being no god, but if actual hard-evidential proof was presented I would change my mind.Lullabye said:0Cliff_m85 said:I think you misunderstand. Ofcouse there are people like that. I don't respect them and I also think that they are being closeminded idiots. I understand they exist and understand why they believe with such certainty, but I certainly don't respect them.Kellett said:what you have to think about is that if someone is certain of something in their own mind, then no amount of persuasion will change that, and that is why people will be a one or a sevenCliff_m85 said:Anyone who is a 1 or a 7 are not really that intelligent in my opinion, since there is always a chance for me to be wrong I can't see how someone can be certain of something that can't be proven. I'm a 6.9
agnostics, you annoy me. I chose 7 because 6.9 is closer. Ive thought about it, and I dont not think god exists. 0% chance. but then we all need to agree on what "god" is first so we can come to an arrangement. Because omnipotent and all powerful are kinda vague....what qualify s as all powerful anyways?
anywho, no we do not now KNOW for certain god doesnt exist. But ive lived long enough to know there is nothing fantastical about the universe except its very existence, that cannot be proved or disproved. the god concept was invented by people, that much i know. I dont really trust people because they tend to do stupid stuff(religion) or believe in irrelevant things(god/souls/ghosts). And i especially dont trust a 2000 year old book that has seen way too many incompetent translators for it to make sense anymore.
wow, uh,"but if actual hard-evidential proof was presented I would change my mind.".....really?you would change your mind, simply because incontrovertible proof was presented to you?....jk, jk.....SO what exactly qualifies as a god?Cliff_m85 said:I'm a 6.9 as well and Agnosticism is really inane. It doesn't answer the question of 'do you believe' at all. Ofcourse all evidence points to there being no god, but if actual hard-evidential proof was presented I would change my mind.Lullabye said:0Cliff_m85 said:I think you misunderstand. Ofcouse there are people like that. I don't respect them and I also think that they are being closeminded idiots. I understand they exist and understand why they believe with such certainty, but I certainly don't respect them.Kellett said:what you have to think about is that if someone is certain of something in their own mind, then no amount of persuasion will change that, and that is why people will be a one or a sevenCliff_m85 said:Anyone who is a 1 or a 7 are not really that intelligent in my opinion, since there is always a chance for me to be wrong I can't see how someone can be certain of something that can't be proven. I'm a 6.9
agnostics, you annoy me. I chose 7 because 6.9 is closer. Ive thought about it, and I dont not think god exists. 0% chance. but then we all need to agree on what "god" is first so we can come to an arrangement. Because omnipotent and all powerful are kinda vague....what qualify s as all powerful anyways?
anywho, no we do not now KNOW for certain god doesnt exist. But ive lived long enough to know there is nothing fantastical about the universe except its very existence, that cannot be proved or disproved. the god concept was invented by people, that much i know. I dont really trust people because they tend to do stupid stuff(religion) or believe in irrelevant things(god/souls/ghosts). And i especially dont trust a 2000 year old book that has seen way too many incompetent translators for it to make sense anymore.
I agree with you Markness, without evidence supporting either one of the two extremes, no reasonable person should believe absolutely that there is or isn't a God.Markness said:I don't see how anyone vote 1 or 7, unless they are privy to some information I do not have access to. Despite growing up a christian, I'd say that the only God could exist is that there is something going on that is way over anyone's head.