Poll: Required Enlistment
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I wouldn't mind if they brought back the draft. If they do that, it means that they are desperate for people and then maybe I can finally get in. I've been trying to join the service since high school, but they won't take me (I'm Autistic and was on medication for a long time)
Bring back national service. I'm going to end up doing at least three years anyway, I need the funding to go to Uni.WrongSprite said:
They could instead focus on what they're doing in a lot of schools in the UK and provide a school CCF (Combined Cadet Force). If they make it seem fun enough, then they can get a lot more recruits joining voluntarily. Also, there would be massive protests and civil unrest as soon as it was announced.
No, sorry. Organizations established solely for the purpose of killing people have no business existing, and have even less business press-ganging every Joe and Jane into them. When you get down to it, every army on Earth is a glorified murderer's club; and I can't think of any reason you'd want to risk your life and kill people.
Loyalty and honor and all that can be instilled in a person after four years of childhood, and I can't for the life of me imagine why you would want to teach your panicky, drunk, halfway brain-dead citizens how to kill full-sized adult men with their bare hands. Seriously-- why would you need to teach people that? Society isn't that far gone...
Forget the army, we should send everybody to the deep south for one year...
Also, in case you didn't notice, America kinda sucks right now. I'd hop the fence before going to war for it.
Although to be fair, I really wouldn't mind it if the bill was passed; I've always wanted to be an illegal immigrant and fugitive from the American law.
Loyalty and honor and all that can be instilled in a person after four years of childhood, and I can't for the life of me imagine why you would want to teach your panicky, drunk, halfway brain-dead citizens how to kill full-sized adult men with their bare hands. Seriously-- why would you need to teach people that? Society isn't that far gone...
Forget the army, we should send everybody to the deep south for one year...
Also, in case you didn't notice, America kinda sucks right now. I'd hop the fence before going to war for it.
Although to be fair, I really wouldn't mind it if the bill was passed; I've always wanted to be an illegal immigrant and fugitive from the American law.
Yeh lets take another few years out of peoples lives, its not like they have anything better to do in that time, oh i dont know, like go to University/collage and get a proper education or get a job and earn some money, instead of being forced to learn to fight, and ultametly to kill.
I would have been all for it, but after giving it a shot I can say I wouldn't want that forced on me. Going through some of Basic really just pissed me off. I'm highly interested in everything the military, more specifically the infantry, does but I couldn't deal with the control. They literally have you 24/7 and are only required to let you get 4 hours of sleep a night, which doesn't have to be all at once. Most of the time they do give you much of the day to yourself, but knowing it's possible for them to have you all day just bothers me.
So, I don't think this is a good idea, and I'll most likely never go back to the military. If it came down to America being invaded or something, I'd just go become a guerilla soldier or something, but I don't plan to hop into the rank and file ever again.
So, I don't think this is a good idea, and I'll most likely never go back to the military. If it came down to America being invaded or something, I'd just go become a guerilla soldier or something, but I don't plan to hop into the rank and file ever again.
If there is no war to be carted off to: Heck yes!
Living in Finland, I've been trough a year of military training. And I will tell you, while at times it felt like hell, it taught me a whole lot of valuable lessons. It is the only place where a kid born to rich parents who hasn't worked a day during his ~18-20 years of life, might sleep right next to a guy who had alcoholic parents and has been scraping off a living from shit jobs for the past several years. It is the place where university students, sometimes even graduates, work alongside those with no education beyond the mandatory.
It teaches you a whole lot about people, and the need for leadership in any situation that differs from the norm. All lessons that apply to 'civilian' life just as much.
A year of your time, considering you get free clothing, food and accomodations, spartan though they may be, is not that big of a sacrifice both for the backbone they drill into you, as well as the deep view into the people living in the same society as you.
Honestly, the only bad thing is if your country happens to be at war and thus the risk for untimely death is significant.
That said, I don't think it would work, for at least a few generations, in America: too much cultural baggage about being 'free' from obeying authority on minute matters, and that wars are 'someone elses' problem' within the general population: A commander's nightmare, and months of training time would be lost simply to instill a sense of dicipline.
Living in Finland, I've been trough a year of military training. And I will tell you, while at times it felt like hell, it taught me a whole lot of valuable lessons. It is the only place where a kid born to rich parents who hasn't worked a day during his ~18-20 years of life, might sleep right next to a guy who had alcoholic parents and has been scraping off a living from shit jobs for the past several years. It is the place where university students, sometimes even graduates, work alongside those with no education beyond the mandatory.
It teaches you a whole lot about people, and the need for leadership in any situation that differs from the norm. All lessons that apply to 'civilian' life just as much.
A year of your time, considering you get free clothing, food and accomodations, spartan though they may be, is not that big of a sacrifice both for the backbone they drill into you, as well as the deep view into the people living in the same society as you.
Honestly, the only bad thing is if your country happens to be at war and thus the risk for untimely death is significant.
That said, I don't think it would work, for at least a few generations, in America: too much cultural baggage about being 'free' from obeying authority on minute matters, and that wars are 'someone elses' problem' within the general population: A commander's nightmare, and months of training time would be lost simply to instill a sense of dicipline.
A year is pretty long, but 6-8 months or so for 18 year old kids, to learn a few extra things about army discipline would probably be good for all of them. And forcing all different kinds of people to work together in that setting might teach them a few things about the diversity of people.
I'm also all for sending criminal teenagers to bootcamps instead of jail, i consider that 'though love', from society!
Note: my country never sended drafted people into warzones, we had the pro's do that stuff as it should be.
I never had to go, they cancelled the draft a year before i should have gone, looking back at it, the draft might have been a good thing for me
I'm also all for sending criminal teenagers to bootcamps instead of jail, i consider that 'though love', from society!
Note: my country never sended drafted people into warzones, we had the pro's do that stuff as it should be.
I never had to go, they cancelled the draft a year before i should have gone, looking back at it, the draft might have been a good thing for me
Yeah, a good way to destroy democracy by taking away the first point of it, the right to choose.Nunny said:
As much as I do see the upsides of it, to force someone to serve only creates resentment and disloyal troops. If they choose to serve they want to be there, if their forced then they leave asap and wont go out of their way to think ahead etc. Not to mention its wrong to force someone to go to war and fight and kill others in a war of the politicians ego's.
Ofcourse even if its compulsory, there would have to be exemptions for medical reasons etc.
In terms of trying to stop violence among teenagers and young adults, National Service has never really convinced me. I mean, we send all of these violent bloodthirsty people.....to the military......to get combat training.........so they can learn how to fight and kill........i'm sorry but is that not the most retarded idea you've ever heard? What will they do with these skills when they get back from a years service? Probably put them to use among themselves.
EDIT: Also, I would rather go to university next year rather than spend a year in the military. I mean it's all very well for the people who want National Service to say that because they're willing to do it. You need to look from the perspectives of people who would otherwise continue with their education, get a job and contribute to society. Where is the benefit of Service for them?
The other thing you need to consider is the fact that you lose a large number of people every year to the Service who would otherwise work and contribute. This way we're paying for them to get training for a year.
EDIT: Also, I would rather go to university next year rather than spend a year in the military. I mean it's all very well for the people who want National Service to say that because they're willing to do it. You need to look from the perspectives of people who would otherwise continue with their education, get a job and contribute to society. Where is the benefit of Service for them?
The other thing you need to consider is the fact that you lose a large number of people every year to the Service who would otherwise work and contribute. This way we're paying for them to get training for a year.
I agree with the draft, but not everyone being forced to serve. I am going to enlist, but that doesn't mean everyone has to.