Poll: RPG's: Old vs New
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Considering my favorite RPG is almost 40 I'll have to go with the "old" option in the poll. Tabletop D&D ftw!
I've gotta go with new. I loved Baldur's Gate when it fist came out, but I was also a big fan of AD&D then. I tried going back to it recently, and it just wasn't a lot of fun. I also gave a shot at the free Fallout 1 download, and that struck me as pretty lame too. Final Fantasy 1 is the same deal - the gameplay is still pretty fun but it's nowhere as engaging as some of the newer games like Persona 3. I wouldn't put a clear date cutoff for where new and old games are, but the complexity of the mechanics even as far back as Final Fantasy 8 is quite a bit more interesting than older games, and Persona 3 with social links takes this to a new level. Games like Oblivion also bring in a different aspect in terms of simply having lush visuals and that you can explore every nook and cranny - it's quite like Baldur's Gate except better graphics, mechanics and gameplay.
RPGs have come a long way both in the pencil & paper arena and in terms of computers, and I think it's definitely a genre that gets better as time goes by. When it comes to 2D fighters and platformers though, it seemed they stopped necessarily getting much better past the Neo Geo/SNES/Genesis days, and even though Little Big Planet is very sweet in its own way, Super Mario Land frex still holds a charm that it doesn't quite have.
RPGs have come a long way both in the pencil & paper arena and in terms of computers, and I think it's definitely a genre that gets better as time goes by. When it comes to 2D fighters and platformers though, it seemed they stopped necessarily getting much better past the Neo Geo/SNES/Genesis days, and even though Little Big Planet is very sweet in its own way, Super Mario Land frex still holds a charm that it doesn't quite have.
Are you sure it's the old ones that affect you so much?technoted said:
OT: I prefer newer games, though I still love some of the old ones. And I don't really count NWN as old. I've been buying a lot of new RPGs recently and their gameplay is definitely better. With some of them the story is also much more immersive than the old games.
I perfer old.
Complex =/= better; be it in character development, gameplay, etc. Just because Dragon Age lets you choose from a few different talent trees for each of their classes and you can choose "Asshole; Neutral ; Polite" responses for conversation (that mostly lead to the same thing) doesnt make the game any less terrible. It just tries to cover it up.
My person favorite platform for RPG's was the GBA. It was truely the last game platform that got "it".
Now a days, expecially with Console and PC bound RPG's, the games suffer from one of their most scrutinized points; the Graphics.
Because the Final Fantasy PS1 Era is over, if your going to make an RPG, you will NEED fancy cutscenes. Most characters you see that move in the game will move in a realistic feature, due to the increase for Motion Capture technology. And, if you want to believe it or not, the HUGE ammount of money that goes into making the game look "pretty" kill the funding for the rest of the game. That means all the cool quirks, character options, aching storylines and non-linearity get the axe.
The GBA had the simplest of simple graphics. The machine could render decent-enough models, cheaply. This meant gameplay and characters got to shine. By this point in the business, companies knew what we wanted from RPG's, and delivered them.
RPG's went down hill when Graphics spiked and Western RPG's got too full of themselves *glares at BioWare*[*secretly pats Bethesda on the head*]. This is why I perfer older RPG's.
Complex =/= better; be it in character development, gameplay, etc. Just because Dragon Age lets you choose from a few different talent trees for each of their classes and you can choose "Asshole; Neutral ; Polite" responses for conversation (that mostly lead to the same thing) doesnt make the game any less terrible. It just tries to cover it up.
My person favorite platform for RPG's was the GBA. It was truely the last game platform that got "it".
Now a days, expecially with Console and PC bound RPG's, the games suffer from one of their most scrutinized points; the Graphics.
Because the Final Fantasy PS1 Era is over, if your going to make an RPG, you will NEED fancy cutscenes. Most characters you see that move in the game will move in a realistic feature, due to the increase for Motion Capture technology. And, if you want to believe it or not, the HUGE ammount of money that goes into making the game look "pretty" kill the funding for the rest of the game. That means all the cool quirks, character options, aching storylines and non-linearity get the axe.
The GBA had the simplest of simple graphics. The machine could render decent-enough models, cheaply. This meant gameplay and characters got to shine. By this point in the business, companies knew what we wanted from RPG's, and delivered them.
RPG's went down hill when Graphics spiked and Western RPG's got too full of themselves *glares at BioWare*[*secretly pats Bethesda on the head*]. This is why I perfer older RPG's.
the only time i actually had to think about a moral decision in fallout3 was weather to kill harold or ignore his wish and make him live on for the good of the land. Perhaps because Harold also appears in the other fallouts and your decision was a little more complex then the be an ass or not to be an ass aproach (which is still avalable,but very evil) It became one of the reasons i enjoyed FO3 but the other reason i enjoyed was for a far less intellectual reason (I took the bloody mess perk).
My favorite game of all time is Silent hill 2, definately not a rpg but a very story driven game, i don`t believe people enjoyed those older Rpgs because of the magic system or because they had lower standards due to childhood, the characters in many of the older rpg series had very likable characters aswell as dispicable vilains which made for a more immersive game even though the combat and exploration seems slow by todays standards.
I dont believe we`ll see as many story driven games anymore because the industry is demanding evolution in the non-story part from current gen games i.e combat, graphics, and to put it in a few words `appeal to a larger demographic`. this is because video games are a business and the term ``well recieved but financial failure`` doesn`t keep creative developers around long. Theres exceptions ofcourse but expect more good but not great games to come with a side of crap.
My favorite game of all time is Silent hill 2, definately not a rpg but a very story driven game, i don`t believe people enjoyed those older Rpgs because of the magic system or because they had lower standards due to childhood, the characters in many of the older rpg series had very likable characters aswell as dispicable vilains which made for a more immersive game even though the combat and exploration seems slow by todays standards.
I dont believe we`ll see as many story driven games anymore because the industry is demanding evolution in the non-story part from current gen games i.e combat, graphics, and to put it in a few words `appeal to a larger demographic`. this is because video games are a business and the term ``well recieved but financial failure`` doesn`t keep creative developers around long. Theres exceptions ofcourse but expect more good but not great games to come with a side of crap.
And I think Sephiroth was cool because he was insane. Not because of his clothes.
