Poll: S or M?
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This kind of bothers me. I'm not certain that there's a mental disorder regarding the sexualization of pain, unless you want to talk about sociopaths, but I don't think that they really derive pleasure from what they do so much as they simply don't care that they hurt other people. Perhaps you should actually look up what constitutes a disorder, because then I think that you'd see that BDSM isn't a disorder unless you take it to extremes, and by that, I don't mean it just gets kinkier.Dana22 said:
OK, I'll poke you with a sharpened stick. Sometimes known as a spear. Or simply a pointy stick. Or I could randomly assault you with a pellet gun. XDAstoria said:Haha I have a long fuze so that wouldn't be enoughMasterOfWorlds said:
I'm an emotional sadist. Yes I said it, but only when I really want to screw with someone's mind. Call me twisted, but if you do something to deserve it then I'll inflict it on you.MasterOfWorlds said:
Messing with the mind is always a fun endevour.
Indeed, Moving on to a more advanced Psychology class at UH in hopes I can touch up more on the Freudian method on psychologyMasterOfWorlds said:
Now things might start getting interestingMasterOfWorlds said:OK, I'll poke you with a sharpened stick. Sometimes known as a spear. Or simply a pointy stick. Or I could randomly assault you with a pellet gun. XDAstoria said:Haha I have a long fuze so that wouldn't be enoughMasterOfWorlds said:
They can't get too interesting or my gf might beat me.Astoria said:Now things might start getting interestingMasterOfWorlds said:OK, I'll poke you with a sharpened stick. Sometimes known as a spear. Or simply a pointy stick. Or I could randomly assault you with a pellet gun. XDAstoria said:Haha I have a long fuze so that wouldn't be enoughMasterOfWorlds said:
...On second thought...XD
You mean get high on cocaine and make dick references? I'm not much of a fan of Freud, although I do think he had some interesting ideas. And dick jokes are always fun. XDMadara XIII said:
Haha I promise to give her no reason to get jealousMasterOfWorlds said:They can't get too interesting or my gf might beat me.Astoria said:Now things might start getting interestingMasterOfWorlds said:OK, I'll poke you with a sharpened stick. Sometimes known as a spear. Or simply a pointy stick. Or I could randomly assault you with a pellet gun. XDAstoria said:Haha I have a long fuze so that wouldn't be enoughMasterOfWorlds said:
...On second thought...XD
Probably for the best. I'm not sure my ego could stand to be beaten by you for pissing you off and her for pestering someone. XDAstoria said:Haha I promise to give her no reason to get jealous
Oh bullshit. I mean seriously, bullshit. That's like saying that homosexuality is a mental disorder. There is no scientific evidence for liking BDSM being a disorder, no kind of clinical psychological support. It's a taste for something. A fetish. Some people like their partners to talk dirty. Others have a thing for a certain outfit or uniform. These are fetishes in their own right, and really no different from enjoying spanking, or biting, or scratching, or being called a plaything while being held down and played with.Dana22 said:
BDSM just takes more effort.
Sadism exists as a personality disorder but it is very different to that in BDSM. Part of the point of BDSM in sex is that all parties enjoy it. Sadistic personality disorder forbids that enjoyment on behalf of the victim. Victim being a term only used in the case of a disorder, never in the context of BDSM. Masochistic personality disorder is similarly divorced, in that the person avoids pleasure compulsively. Again, very different to masochists within the realm of BDSM in which they are most certainly there for pleasure.
Im just quoting the source my friend, that is "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders":Labyrinth said:
302.4 Exhibitionism
302.81 Fetishism
302.89 Frotteurism
302.2 Pedophilia
302.83 Sexual masochism
302.84 Sexual sadism
302.3 Transvestic fetishism
302.82 Voyeurism
302.9 Paraphilia
i'm a bit of a masochist. I won't inflict pain on my self for the sake of it but I don't mind being hurt (like after a forced march for example) if I did something really hard (or really stupid) before being in pain. To me pain and pleasure are proofs that I'm alive and experiencing things (and scars are the proof of those, for the most part, accidental experiences).
I kind of knew I had slight sadomasochist tendencies, but I used to deny them.
Only reason I really 'fully' realised was with my current girlfriend, who has masochistic tendencies herself. She asked me to do such things with her, I resisted at first because it slightly scared me. When we sat around and talked about it for a while, I came to realise I was scared because it was something I'd always wanted to do but had been stopping myself from doing for a while. The masochist side, however, I had to some degree explored but once more denied this because of fear of what my girlfriend at the time would have thought.
From that point on I'm totally at home with myself about it all. I'm always very careful with myself and my partner when I'm in such a mood, but since coming to terms with it I don't have the urge to do something similar as often.
I'm not hardcore by any means, but I have surprised myself a few times with how far I feel comfortable taking it. I just hope I can fully explore such things with my partner and she'll enjoy finding out more about me as much as I will.
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Wait, how much detail can we go into on this issue? I don't want to break any rules now but it seems a lot of people seem to qualify themselves as a sadist because they got got angry once and enjoyed making the other person cry, or a masochist because they do a hobby which hurts them occasionally.
Only reason I really 'fully' realised was with my current girlfriend, who has masochistic tendencies herself. She asked me to do such things with her, I resisted at first because it slightly scared me. When we sat around and talked about it for a while, I came to realise I was scared because it was something I'd always wanted to do but had been stopping myself from doing for a while. The masochist side, however, I had to some degree explored but once more denied this because of fear of what my girlfriend at the time would have thought.
From that point on I'm totally at home with myself about it all. I'm always very careful with myself and my partner when I'm in such a mood, but since coming to terms with it I don't have the urge to do something similar as often.
I'm not hardcore by any means, but I have surprised myself a few times with how far I feel comfortable taking it. I just hope I can fully explore such things with my partner and she'll enjoy finding out more about me as much as I will.
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Wait, how much detail can we go into on this issue? I don't want to break any rules now but it seems a lot of people seem to qualify themselves as a sadist because they got got angry once and enjoyed making the other person cry, or a masochist because they do a hobby which hurts them occasionally.
Since you have the source, please look up "disorder" and see if that applies to any of those in a typical case.Dana22 said:
I tell you to look it up because a disorder is anything that severely impacts/effects your daily life. A great example is OCD, let's use hand washing. Say the person is OCD and has to wash their hands 100 times a day. They absolutely must wash their hands that many times or they will suffer mental distress. They might have to be late to work, school, may not be able to ride on planes, go on long car rides, and many other such things simply because of their OCD, which is Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, for those who don't know.
None of those are a disorder unless they effect your daily life in such a way that you wouldn't be able to live in what would be considered a normal life. Although admittedly, Frotteurism is a new one on me.
I have the same book, but since I switched my major from psychology to sociology, I haven't read it much. I generally only use it when something about someone doesn't seem quite right and I want to check it against my knowledge of psychology.
Keep in mind that psychology is a business. They want broad and sweeping diagnoses so that they can treat people. Like the fairly new statistic about 1 in 110 children in the US being born with autism. Sure, this might be correct under the super broad and vague definition that they use now, but most of those kids only suffer from certain severe learning disorders that they will either outgrow as the brain develops or with the proper treatment, which, as far as I know, isn't the case with autism.
You can go into a little bit of detail as long as you keep it PG-13. As long as it can't qualify as porn, you should be good. Or hate speech, and things along those lines. I agree with your edit though, I think that some of these people just don't get it. XDAngloDoom said: