Poll: School District about to Get Sued
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Bit of sarcasm on my part. Walking into a bible belt school, leading a non Christian prayer and expecting them to suck it up is not a good plan. I was saying that asking everyone who isnt part of that group to just awkwardly stand there and deal with it wouldnt go well if they were not a majority.Bobic said:
And is now aggressively going against the hope of people around him, with calls for a national reaction to the situation. By his words, he is 'one of three atheists in town'. He realises he is in the minority, and understands that his other classmates would like to have the prayer. And yet still won't let the few minutes of local tradition stand.Lt Blasphemer said:
The law is there for the protection of those who cannot protect themselves. Does he really consider himself in need of protection from kind words asking for help? Is that protection worth the unhappiness of 90% of the people around him?
This is a situation born from the selfishness of the most awkward time of your life, and made problematic by hiding behind a law designed to protect government from religious control. It is sad that the kid cannot see he is being used by other people. Sad that they should try to use him like this. Sad that he cannot see how much he is hurting people. Sad that the precedent will be set against other traditions. Sad that the colour of life is washed out a little bit.
Like I said, this is only sad.
How about this? If the school is mature enough to let other religions have a public prayer, not just their predominant one, they get to have group prayers. If the place is full of ignorant twonks, like you seem to suggest, they get nothing.BiscuitTrouser said:
It's a public school, so no prayer of any kind should EVER be allowed. I am taking the kids side because not only is it illegal in that state, but it also violates the First Amendment. It's a double-whammy of "Do not do this shit".
He called them out on it, and look how his teachers and classmates responded. The only reason no one challenged it prior to then is because you would need to have brass balls to call out an entire school district in the Bible Belt, home to the most diehard conservatives and ruthless evangelical Protestants in the United States, if not, the world.
He called them out on it, and look how his teachers and classmates responded. The only reason no one challenged it prior to then is because you would need to have brass balls to call out an entire school district in the Bible Belt, home to the most diehard conservatives and ruthless evangelical Protestants in the United States, if not, the world.
A kid insists his school follows the law and gets ostracized for it. His loving, forgiving, Christian peers bombard his Facebook page with hatred. A teacher openly insults him. He's forced to leave the state after his own mother tries to cut him off from his biggest supporter, his older brother. But his rights don't need protecting because he's in the minority? And black people should've shut up and used the other fountain, right guys?beniki said:
Some people think they can get away with anything as long as the majority agrees and they throw a "Praise Jesus!" on the end. They're wrong. Considering a girl led the congregation in the Lord's Prayer at the graduation ceremony anyways, I hope they get the hell sued out of them.
Man, why do we even have a Religion & Politics forum when stuff like this ends up in Off-Topic all the time.
Laws are also in place to prevent discrimination. Prayer shouldn't be seen ANYWHERE outside of private schools.beniki said:
Well, I'll set aside his reasoning then. I find his 'emotionally stressing' argument to be weak at best. I've never known anyone to be hurt by someone else asking their imaginary friend for help.Lt Blasphemer said:
The law here is being used to go against the traditions and wishes of the community. Most of the students want it back in. It has value to the Christian students. It might not even be the prayer itself, but the tradition that has value. It not being there lessens the experience of graduation for them. They will notice it's absence and make the day less complete.
Upholding the law is a fine thing, when it is helping people. In this case, it is only hurting people, and breaking the law would mean one boy rolls his eyes for a few minutes. Is this law still worth being upheld?
I read the 'insult' from his teacher. Is it true? Did he actually have much interest in what happened on his graduation day?sunburst313 said:
And yes, it's sad how people are reacting to it. A big waste of time, and a great amount of bad feeling over nothing.
The civil rights of black people in America is an entirely separate issue. Forgive the expression, but you can't look at the things in black and white terms. In this case, it would have been a few minutes of listening to something he didn't agree with. You can't liken that to decades of slavery and persecution, and is perhaps an insult to those that have suffered because of it.
What makes them wrong? A law? Laws can be changed. If the law changes, are they still wrong? People think they can get away with anything as long as they don't break a law. Does that make it right?
And I thought we still were on topic
"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." John 15:6Char-Nobyl said:
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. John 3:18
The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101 (Quran)
The only true faith in God's sight is Islam. Quran 3:19
A recent phenomenon in India has been the rise of Hindu fundamentalism that has led to political mobilization against Muslims. (Wikipedia on Hinduism)
That literally took me 2 min in google to find. Your theory that they aren't mutually exclusive is just downright false.
Also my original examples had nothing to do with slippery slope, i wasn't implying that allowing state religion would lead into witch burning, just that majority consensus does not equal argument validity.
Another point, the boy did in fact suggest a moment of silence, which the school was at first forced to adhere to. However they changed plans halfway and allowed to students to mount an impromptu prayer (which they rehearsed for). Here is the video of the event, you can see how the moment of silence is changed to prayer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYLpZIv8xFY
Religious freedom means you can have your religion, I can have my own, and the state shall not support one over the other. Allowing for the school prayer is an attack on non Christians as it validates their positions over others. The U.S. is a secular country, and as an atheist I'm frankly tired of Christians persecution protests when they aren't allowed to inject their beliefs into others personal lives.
I second this. Religion is not mandatory but should not be disqualified because people can't agree.Bobic said:
Edit: It also depends if the school is a religious school or not. A catholic school has every right to lead prayers because it is part of the school. Public schools should not lead prayers though.