Poll: School Project Debate - Stem Cells and the controversies therein.

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Nox13last

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Forgive me if this has been posted before, but I'm doing a course in school, and it requires that I spawn the original post.
So, uh... yeah. I'm doing a course in school to look up controversial sciences, and my blindfolded finger prodded the words 'Stem Cell'. As such, you guys' inputs would be very much appreciated. This makes the final feather in my multiple-source-requirement hat (sources of choice being Wiki, books, one of my teachers' relatives, and the opinion of a big community).

So, to the actual topic...

In my research of Stem Cells, I found out that a lot of ethically frowned-upon stuff goes into the research. For example, the best-known way of harvesting them ends up killing the embryo (which is, to some, tantamount to murder). I also found that they have a whole religion going against them (no surprise, being honest), that the Roman Catholic doctrine sorta goes against it. But it's also a belief that that's incorrect, because an embryo isn't life, rather the potential thereof, which pretty much makes it okay (forgive my bluntness).
Some people also think it's just an unnatural process and we shouldn't be adding ambiguous cells to our patients in the same way that a child stacks LEGO together.

But with that, they can also be massively beneficial, given that the research be perfected. We could help people with Parkinsonism, damaged spinal cords, spastic diplesiacs, car crash victims, and anyone else like those and more.

So why are there so many nay-sayers? Personally, I think that treading on the potential lives of a few unborn and hardly-developped children is an acceptible sacrifice if it means we get to improve the quality of life for those who were born unlucky.

...that, and putting extra ears on mice is something people would pay to see.

#Edit: I have no doctrine to believe in on the involiability of life, for I am athiest. This helps my own opinion by removing one hurdle.

#IMPORTANT EDIT: This is a school assignment. If we can kindly keep the bad language as low as possible. Preferably not going above "Crap" and "Ass" and stuff like that. Thanks.
 

ascense

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I agree with most of what you say, and think that stem cell research could be very valuable. There are many risks involved, but I think the results could be well worth taking some risks. The discussion about using embryos is in my opinion fairly strange, as an undeveloped embryo can hardly be considered a human life as such. This depends on the definition of life though.

I'd also like to point out that there has AFAIK been some success at harvesting stem cells from fat and skin tissue. Some articles that might interest you: http://bobim.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=88&Itemid=37 and http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=1342585
 

Deathsong17

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I agree with it, especially since the embryos come from abortions, so they aren't wanted anyway.
 

Internet Kraken

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Before I respond I'll just say this. How about you only have the "yes, no, undecided, other" options. In this poll you have a bunch of options that essentially just mean yes or no for no reason.
 

Nox13last

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Internet Kraken said:
Before I respond I'll just say this. How about you only have the "yes, no, undecided, other" options. In this poll you have a bunch of options that essentially just mean yes or no for no reason.
Ok, now you've said that, you can go ahead and respond.
And there are reasons. People who agree with the research, people who agree with the benefits, people who oppose it for murder, people who think it's unnatural, and people who are interested in freakshows, and people who need to elaborate (extreme yes AND no).
Besides, I can't condense it now. Not without obliterating some of the votes.
 

timb133

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Totally for it, it will be the most powerful therapy for a massive range of illnesses and conditions. Also, I don't believe any of the major pre-rational system of rules for living (i.e. religions) can be used to judge the morals of stem-cell research. Especially as The stem cells aren't only found in foetal tissue.

And I want an extra arm, and head, to help my ski-boxing.
 

Abedeus

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ascense said:
I agree with most of what you say, and think that stem cell research could be very valuable. There are many risks involved, but I think the results could be well worth taking some risks. The discussion about using embryos is in my opinion fairly strange, as an undeveloped embryo can hardly be considered a human life as such. This depends on the definition of life though.

I'd also like to point out that there has AFAIK been some success at harvesting stem cells from fat and skin tissue. Some articles that might interest you: http://bobim.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=88&Itemid=37 and http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=1342585
Yeah. Pretty much that.

Stem cells no longer require aborted feeds.

I'd like more people to notice that...


Wouldukindly said:
I always love the 'it's unnatural' argument. I mean, medicine, airplanes, and cooking food is pretty unnatural too.

I'm for it, mostly because abortions occur anyway and so it's a waste-not want-not scenario.
Most of the medicine is natural. Airplanes? They use laws of nature + human technology. Birds are unnatural too? Or cooking food? Please.
 

muse-13-bliss

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im pretty sure canadian scientists are working hard and making great strides in the field of stem cell research without killing human blastocysts
 

KamachoMcSagget

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I'm Catholic, so by default I say no

But I was reminded by the person above me that it is trying be done without killing the embrio, and if that's the case, YES
 

newguy77

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I've heard somewhere that only adult stem cell research has gone anywhere and that embryonic stem cell research has only given us a new way to make tumors. Could someone verify this for me and provide a link?
Thanks in advance.
 

iain62a

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It's against catholic doctrine, but then again, so are condoms.

Solution: Don't listen to anything the catholic church tells you.

But yeah, stem cell research is a good thing.
 

Internet Kraken

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Nox13last said:
Internet Kraken said:
Before I respond I'll just say this. How about you only have the "yes, no, undecided, other" options. In this poll you have a bunch of options that essentially just mean yes or no for no reason.
Ok, now you've said that, you can go ahead and respond.
And there are reasons. People who agree with the research, people who agree with the benefits, people who oppose it for murder, people who think it's unnatural, and people who are interested in freakshows, and people who need to elaborate (extreme yes AND no).
Besides, I can't condense it now. Not without obliterating some of the votes.
Wouldn't people just elaborate on their reason in the comment anyways?

Also I'll post my response to the actual topic soon. It's just that I'm doing other things right now. Like playing Fallout 3.
 

Nox13last

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Internet Kraken said:
Also I'll post my response to the actual topic soon. It's just that I'm doing other things right now. Like playing Fallout 3.
Hey, hey! You said "Before I respond, I'll JUST say this."

Make with the opinion, bub. This is about an important controversy, not some petty little war!

...Wait. Which one's worse again?

/joke.
 

Doug

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deathsong17 said:
I agree with it, especially since the embryos come from abortions, so they aren't wanted anyway.
This. It seems ridiculous to me that these cells that could potentially save hundreds, thousands, or more from disease, death, or insanity in their old age, that these cells who are going to be destroyed anyway, are wasted because people feel a tad queesy about it.

For fucks sake, nothing about modern life is natural. We no longer live in forests and caves, we not longer scanvange for scraps of food, and we superficially control our home environments.

Is it unfortunate that these embyros are getting aborted? Yes. Is that a valid reason to commend many more? Hell no!