Poll: Semi-nudity and different genders

[manythings]

Men don't have boobs. I thought that would be pretty obvious...

What's so "awful and needs to be covered up" about boobs, eh?

ask women, they seem to be the ones who hate boobs.

 

[Thespian]

A man's body isn't nearly as appealing as a woman's body.

Sexual preference regardless, everybody likes seeing an attractive female. Straight women, gay women, straight men and gay men all appreciate an attractive woman, but the same cannot be said for an attractive man.

Some call it gender bias, I call it "who the fuck cares, its the way things are".

According to you, gay men appreciate seeing an attractive woman, and as a badge-carrying member of the Bullshit Police I decided I should call you out on this. That is simply not true. I know myself, that I get nothing from seeing an attractive woman. Actually, seeing one naked would put me off my lunch a tad. Boobs are just not attractive to me at all. I don't get it. They just look like saggy man-pecs to me. Honestly. And I know a dozen other gay people who will say the same. Really, you would only have to briefly dip into a gay community to know that's the truth.
Whereas a man's body I find highly pleasing when I see it uncovered. Matter of fact, I don't even really care about how the downstairs looks (so long as, you know, it's there) so it's really all happening upstairs. This may be getting a tad personal, but point is;
Attractive women are not universally appreciated, topless women are not universally more appreciated than topless men.

What's so "awful and needs to be covered up" about boobs, eh?

May as well apply that to penises as well. Think about it.

Not really, seeing as boobs are seen as secondary sexual organs. Vaginas and penises could be subject to the same treatment, but not penises and boobs.


And since this next quote is a biggy, Ima just put my replies in boldskis.

Well, actually your wrong here to a fairly large extent.

The thing is that as gamers are mostly lonely guys in a male dominated area of interest, we tend to "notice" the outcry about female nudity more often. A lot of gamers also feel the need to "adapt" to political correctness in the hopes that by doing so it makes their hobby, and by extension themselves more attractive to the opposite sex... permavirgins that the harcore gamers are.

I fail to see how trying to have an open mind is a bad thing, nor why you need to label it with something like PC that's just been associated with negativity. And I'm not even going to mention how strongly you're generalizing here.

The whole "beefcake" thing can have a similar prescence when your looking at things like the muscle and fitness subcultures. You see a lot of arguements about how all these beefy guys with arms the size of their heads is both exploitive, and encourages young boys to strive to reach an unrealistic ideal of what is "manly", turning towards 'roids, and hurting themselves through extreme workout method and the such in pursuit of the goal.

Arguements about how it's okay for guys to walk around without their shirts if they are buff enough, are very similar to how women with nice chests wandering around bare or with very little is also encouraged. You'll notice nobody wants to see a pasty, acne covered nerd chest, or some fat girl wandering around in the same condition. The standard is actually one that applies to attractive people wandering around "exposed", rather than something slanted towards one gender or the other when you actually choose to look at the issue as a whole.

Can't help but feel you've missed the point here dude... It's not about who approves of it or not, granted I'm not enthusiastic about seeing some overweight octogenarian leaping about without a shirt on but it's not going to attract the attention of the law, now is it? That's essentially what the thread is discussing, because if a woman was to walk around with her chest totally uncovered she would probably be charged with indecent exposure.

... and yes, people WILL cover the eyes of children around naked or nearly naked men. It's just that as guys we tend to notice is when someone cover JR's eyes around a bare breasted or scantily clad model, but pay less attention to the same reaction when say kids are around a Chippendales promotion.

Really? You think parents would cover their children's eyes if there was an abercrombie poster or something up? Okay. Even so it's fairly irrelevant as nudity is pretty much different to what's being discussed is it not?

I'll also say that sensitivity enters into it as well, that breast tissue is soft and sensitive, which you probably noticed (lol), for guys it's less of a big deal comfort wise to go walking around without a shirt. For girls it can be, and if the behavior is encouraged your basically looking at an arguement "hey, you should be a masochist to be more appealing!" more so that we currently already see it. It's not a MAJOR factor, but you have to understand that guys and girls really are differant, with some very differant anatomical needs.

It's not about whether women should or not, but rather whether they should be able to. Maybe nothing would change if women were quite able to go topless, but at least the choice would be there.

Such are my thoughts.

Also, you should never, ever, take political correcntess seriously. Generally speaking if something is part of a politically correct stance, that's probably a good reason to assume it's wrong. There are exceptions, but simply put it's one of the biggest poisons on society right now.

Okay, fair enough that Political Correctness is too strong in many cases, but it's one of the biggest poisons on society? What, it's up there with racial discrimination and rape, is it? And are you seriously going to write of 90% of issues dealing with PC just because they are trying to be PC? That's fairly close minded.

 

[noobium]

Look if women walked around topless then I wouldn't get anything done

i agree

 

[DrOswald]

Why is it that it's more acceptable for public displays of male semi-nudity (i.e. topless) than for females? You see it everywhere: ads for fragrances, at the beach, on a hot day, on TV, in movies, etc. Men can just walk around with their t-shirts off, bare chested, and nobody cares; if a woman did the same, parents would be averting their children's eyes, media companies would be barraged with complaints and she'd be made to put clothes on or, laws permitting, even arrested (Can the police do that? It sounds plausible.).

Obviously, there are plenty of nude woman in more adult films and on Page 3 of the Sun, but male toplessness is a lot more common and a lot less frowned upon - why is that? When it comes to below-the-belt nudity, it's a different story; fully naked males and females are both a bit "taboo", if you know what I mean. What's so different about the other half?

EDIT: Another point I'd like to make - if you see topless women in magazines (like candid celebrity photos or whatever), only the nipples will be censored, usually with little stars. Men have nipples too, right? So it's obviously not the fleshy, breast tissue that's the "problem", it's the nipples - this makes less sense because the breast tissue is the only thing different between men's and women's chests (please correct me if I'm wrong).

From a stand point of biology and human instinct, female breasts, especially female nipples, are sexual. We cover breasts in public for the same reason we cover genitals.

I personally don't really think it is a double standard. A double standard implies that the two parties are similar in all important respects; that there are only unimportant differences. I think breasts are actually a fairly significant anatomic feature. After all, would our culture be so obsessed with breasts if they were not worth noticing?

Perhaps in the future no one will care about breasts. In that case it would be a double standard.

 

[DrOswald]

because everyone should keep their clothes on, clothes are sexy.

This. This forever.

The only thing better than breasts is the promise of breasts.

 

[Shanecooper]

I think male nudity should be outlawed, while female nudity is keenly encouraged.
You may call that a double standard, I call it beauty.

Your idea of beauty is a double standard. Your are so flamingly heterosexual it's not even funny. If you don't find anything even remotely aesthetically appealing besides the object of your sexual interest, you have issues.

I think a more practical approach to wearing clothing, one that would not feature nudity as taboo is in order. Also, yes, being stricter on female toplessness is a double standard, and just cultural baggage.

I was jokeing. Sorry if I offended you. I don't really think that men should be forbidden from being shirtless. I could go either way with topless women though.

 

[superbatranger]

Men don't have boobs. I thought that would be pretty obvious...

We do have breasts. They're just not as developed as that of a woman's. Yes, that does also mean we have mammary glands, IIRC.

What? No we d... WHAT?!?!

Well, that's what my anatomy teacher said.

 

[le picklez]

Oh this discussion. I've tried to have this conversation with women pointing out sexualized men but it's refuted by something like "Muscles don't make a guy sexy", which is fairly close to total horseshit. Humans are, as a whole, superficial and just because you may believe that men can't possibly be visually sexualized yourself doesn't mean they can't. It means you are straight (or a lesbian), or in denial.

 

[MisterM2402]

-snip for gigantic post-

Thanks for replying to him - good counter arguments that I'd have been too tired to think of haha

because everyone should keep their clothes on, clothes are sexy.

This. This forever.

The only thing better than breasts is the promise of breasts.

I also agree with this (while I was arguing for equality, it wasn't so that I could ogle a nice rack; it was get guys to cover up, just in case you thought this was a contradictory opinion ).

 

[topless geordie]

Well I enjoy being topless, it's a great feeling to walk about in the park or on the coast bare chested, It's also a great feeling to see girls looking at my body and even better if they comment on it, also if out in the garden I like the feeling of neighbours seeing me bare chested and I don't consider myself to be interbred chavvy scum.

 

[zhoominator]

I think it's probably because female breasts are considered a more sexual part of the body than the average male chest. I'm not sure why...

 

[Griffolion]

Why is it that it's more acceptable for public displays of male semi-nudity (i.e. topless) than for females? You see it everywhere: ads for fragrances, at the beach, on a hot day, on TV, in movies, etc. Men can just walk around with their t-shirts off, bare chested, and nobody cares; if a woman did the same, parents would be averting their children's eyes, media companies would be barraged with complaints and she'd be made to put clothes on or, laws permitting, even arrested (Can the police do that? It sounds plausible.).

Obviously, there are plenty of nude woman in more adult films and on Page 3 of the Sun, but male toplessness is a lot more common and a lot less frowned upon - why is that? When it comes to below-the-belt nudity, it's a different story; fully naked males and females are both a bit "taboo", if you know what I mean. What's so different about the other half?

EDIT: Another point I'd like to make - if you see topless women in magazines (like candid celebrity photos or whatever), only the nipples will be censored, usually with little stars. Men have nipples too, right? So it's obviously not the fleshy, breast tissue that's the "problem", it's the nipples - this makes less sense because the breast tissue is the only thing different between men's and women's chests (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Haven't read all responses but here's mine.

Because female breasts are seen as a sexual thing as part of the female body, it is inherently a lot more taboo for them to be shown. Male nipples are simply a by-product of being in the womb and initially being female, providing you have enough testosterone in you, they'll never amount to breasts. It's probably an evolutionary thing, I'm guessing the size and shape of breasts would be one of the metrics used by males to determine the health of a potential female mating partner and her ability to raise your offspring. Maybe we've never really gotten past it, or there's still something in the male brain that see's breasts and thinks "yeah, my penis wouldn't be wasted spending some time in her".

But this is really only in civilised societies, if you look at some tribes in Africa, the women go around bare-chested as if it's no problem. So it's also to do with social conventions. I'm guessing that due to the need for women to cover their breasts being so pervasive across both western and eastern civilised worlds, it was a very very early formed taboo in the first civilisations, possibly in line with early religion that probably commanded against sexual immorality of sorts..

I suppose if you want to get extreme liberal, you could argue that 'oh it's a really outdated taboo and in modern civilisation we can deal with it'. But I think that we have clothes for a reason. All I'm saying is, I'm glad really hot girls wear clothes because if they didn't, id' have a constant boner walking down the street. So I guess it's to do with discretion too.

 

[larysalove]

Men don't have boobs. I thought that would be pretty obvious...

What's so "awful and needs to be covered up" about boobs, eh?

ask women, they seem to be the ones who hate boobs.

Women don't hate breasts. I think a lot of women get jealous because they're not confident enough to go topless themselves.

I hate jealousy.

 

[steph01a]

Actually, the entire female body is viewed as a "Sexual Thing" by every male in existence. If I wear shorts and a tank out in public I get the "I want to F*** you" look from just about every male who sees me. OK, I usually don't wear a bra (don't need one), but some of these males get really childish about it.

I don't hate boobs, I don't worry about size, and Yes, I do like to go topless at home.

I think the males should be a little more mature about all this and not get all excited so often. But I really like it when they do .. *grin*

 

[Gamer_152]

I think the issue really is that while not sexual organs, obviously, breasts are a sexual body part.

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

Men don't have boobs. I thought that would be pretty obvious...

Where are you posting this again?

Huh? I don't get it.

 

[zeldagirl]

Because men find tits sexually attractive...

...duh?

I mean, believe me, if a woman decided to walk around with the old fun bags out then its fine by me, but its pretty obvious why they're not legally allowed in a lot of places.

Are there any women who like male nipples, and see them as sexually stimulating? There have to be right? The only thing is is if they are the majority.

Funny thing. Nipples are erogenous zones for both men and women. If you have a partner, have them try to stimulate them sometime. A lot of men actually enjoy it - it's arousing.

And I would say the chest area is attractive, nipples included.

Instead of women taking their shirts off, why don't you ban men from going topless.

 

[Dags90]

Case in point, I asked my epidemiology lecturer why funding for breast cancer eclipses prostate cancer funding to such a huge degree and he showed us charts tracking the rise of feminism and the rise of breast cancer funding. When men are literally dying because of political correctness it's a sign it's gone too far.

That has less to do with political correctness and more to do with how funding for diseases works in general. Feminism allowed women to talk about breast cancer, and cancer as a whole became less of a cultural taboo. Before people talking openly about breast cancer there was a major taboo, obituaries still use the line "died of a long illness" instead of saying cancer. There was a popular myth that cancer was a physical manifestation of a bad attitude. Also, funding for breast cancer research really spiked in the 90's, after people stopped donating to AIDS research because "ew, gays". Which is less about feminism and more about homophobia. This is particularly prevalent in corporate funding for medical research. Big corporations want the least offensive, most broadly applicable donation. And who can fight with "save the boobies"?

In terms of funding dollars per death caused, prostate and breast cancer are actually pretty close. They're also hugely ahead of most other cancers.