Poll: Should Anita Sarkeesian debate games that are within her cultural means?

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jklinders

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inu-kun said:
Let's work by statistics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_States

If I'm reading this right, japan has several times less cases than the USA or UK, so which culture has the right to lecture about sexuality in media?
Gee I wonder why?

Japanese authority and culture has a VERY well documented distaste for properly dealing with these cases. They shame the ever loving fuck out of victims and mismanage evidence as a matter of routine. You are on really really shaky ground here.

http://www.japantoday.com/category/...-speak-out-against-japan’s-outdated-rape-laws
 

Grumman

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I'd much rather she go away, forever. Not because she's a self-declared feminist, but because her entire schtick is about how female characters suck. I want more good female characters, while the easiest way for a developer to cater to her no bad female characters position is to have no female characters at all.
 

Phrozenflame500

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I do think focusing more on a Western perspective might help her cause solely because, as you said, those devs are the most likely to be aware of her videos. But I do think she has the "right" to criticize Japanese games if she feels they are disparaging towards women in some way.

I've never been one to excuse practices I disapprove of because of "culture", and that applies to both Western and Eastern cultures.
 

newfoundsky

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inu-kun said:
AntiChri5 said:
inu-kun said:
newfoundsky said:
This is like asking "Is rape okay if another culture says it's okay... as long as it's 'over there'"

Of course not, and there are certain overtly objectifying tropes in Japanese media that we should address and pressure the industry to correct, no matter what their culture says is and is not acceptable.
Yes, because a panty-shot of a fictional character is on par with rape... Are you serious?
He was taking the argument to it's ultimate logical extreme to demonstrate it's flaws. He isn't saying japanese games mistreating women is the same as rape.
It's still a fallacy, because as I said, it's not a real human being, nobody actually gets hurt from it.

And the criticisem on japanese games is almost always fanservice, regardless if the characters themselves are good or not.
inu-kun said:
AntiChri5 said:
inu-kun said:
newfoundsky said:
This is like asking "Is rape okay if another culture says it's okay... as long as it's 'over there'"

Of course not, and there are certain overtly objectifying tropes in Japanese media that we should address and pressure the industry to correct, no matter what their culture says is and is not acceptable.
Yes, because a panty-shot of a fictional character is on par with rape... Are you serious?
He was taking the argument to it's ultimate logical extreme to demonstrate it's flaws. He isn't saying japanese games mistreating women is the same as rape.
It's still a fallacy, because as I said, it's not a real human being, nobody actually gets hurt from it.

And the criticisem on japanese games is almost always fanservice, regardless if the characters themselves are good or not.
We are quickly approaching the "rape jokes aren't funny" debate here, so I'll try to steer away from that.

It perpetuates a flaw in their culture, which totally can be a thing (like racism is a flaw in American culture, and should be addressed as such), and that flaw is that female characters, important or not, must have a certain look or feel about them. As with all culturally significant media, this will lead to one of two things (if not both): women feeling as if they need to be this way in order to be attractive, and men feeling that women that are not this way are not "normal" or attractive. I can give you literally tons of examples of this throughout history, and especially recent history.

It has a negative impact on real life men and women, and people are hurt by it, even if the "victim" is fictional.

I'm simply saying that it is not something you can write off as okay because "no one" gets hurt. The impact is deeper than that.