Poll: Should COD Black Ops Punish Campers?

[MiracleOfSound]

Exactly. If they kill you more than once it's your fault.

While I agree that 90% of the time this is true, I feel that in MW2 there are certain perks and weapons that make it a lot easier to camp and give the campers an unfair advantage, such as claymores with Scavenger, OMA+noobtube, Akimbo shotguns

EDIT: and the Heartbeat sensor, of course...

... and so on.

I tried it out myself one day and got an easy 22 kill streak on Karachi in the little shop type building where you can hide behind the counter. I felt like a total dick though so never did it again.

I hate camping, I find it boring to do and feel it ruins the flow and pace of the game, but I don't rage at people who do it, it's their choice.

 

[thahat]

I'm not a CoD player, so feel free to shoot me down if I'm wrong on this, but shouldn't it be down to the players to punish campers? I mean, if the guy's sitting in one spot, he shouldn't be hard to kill, right?

lob a nade, watch camper go boom. simple as that indeed XD

 

[Ironic Pirate]

Maybe it's because I rarely notice the location of people who kill me, but I almost never experience camping. When I do, it's some dumbass facing the wall, and I get a free knife kill.

If it's so annoying for everyone then I do have some ideas.

If you stay inside without moving for two long (and maybe don't have a sniper) then you fall asleep, and snore so that everyone can hear you.

If you camp outside for two long, you get killed by lightning. Because it would be awesome.

 

[markstit]

Would this system also punish snipers who
are staying at one vantage point?

I don't think there is a lot developers can do to stop
people from camping, nor would i think they would want to.
Its a real strategy.

The only campers i hate are ones that move every few kills
because there hard to see coming, and damn spawn campers.

 

[Funkiest Monkey]

No. Just make it so camping can't be abused, but used as a legit strategy.

However, BOOSTERS should be punished. Motherfucking boosters.

 

[Berserker119]

It doesn't really matter to me. Campers with find other ways.

 

[PatrickXD]

I think it should make people who are sprinting able to knife further and faster, depending on how long they've been sprinting. That could fuck up campers (the corner door campers) so take out commando and add in this sprint - lunge system.

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

Camping is a strategy of it's own really.

If they're camping in a house, throw grenades before attacking.

If they're out in the open they're easy pickings.

Just counter their style of camping then stick a claymore there once they're dead.

This would be easy, but as myself (A Camper) I know that strategy only works 50% of the time. If they throw a grenade, move. Then move back. Easy as that.

Sometimes, yes you'll get them, but most times the camper will just get hit markered then continue.


OT: Eh, I don't really care either way.

 

[Varini]

Main problem as I see it is if you punish people for not moving much then its not really fair on snipers rather than just actual campers

 

[kerkanka]

camping is perfectly fine: a lot of armies do it in the real world. The game should just provide you with tools that can beat camping (as they should for every tactic) e.g. machine guns/snipers for those running about wildly, grenades/artillery for the machine gunners. the only time it shouldn't happen is at the spawns, but a good game developer would make that tactic either impossible (temporary invuln at spawn) or difficult to pull off (multiple spawn points, good map design) each startegy in a game should be as good as another, although for objective based games pursuit of the objective rather than kills should be rewarded and encouraged.

 

[bubba145]

i don't camp i move even in my spot i move from spot to spot

 

[Radeonx]

No.

But it should not punish rushers either, like the other COD games do.

Also it should not punish players for having crap team-mates. Limit the killstreaks and fix the spawns.

The spawns aren't even that broken, though.
Most of the time, the spawns are messed up when a player pushes too far and gets into the enemy spawn, relocating it, or forcing him to die. And the killstreaks are fucking stupid, especially since you can hardly shoot down the 11's. I had a cold-blooded class, but I'd end up dying all the time because an AC-130 would shoot my teammate next to me and kill me.

 

[Nigh Invulnerable]

Camping is a smart strategy if you're playing maps with lots of narrow corridors and choke points but a pretty crappy one if you're in an open map. Countering a camper is as simple as chucking a grenade, smoke bomb, flash bang, etc. Wherever you think they'll be. I have no problem with it. Spawn-killing campers on the other hand...

 

[ssgt splatter]

Camping is a "strategy" of sorts; I've done it multiple times myself but I always get killed eventually because I've been sitting in one spot for 5 minutes and all they have to do is fire a rocket in through the window and BOOM! I'm dead. So if one person does it, then yeah it isn't bad...err I mean annoying. But if the entire F***ing team is doing it then that's a different story. You know what I'm talking about; when you spawn, you take 5 steps out into the open and you die, you spwan again and a grenade lands at your feet, BOOM!, dead again, you spawn a third time just in time for a predator missle to kill you, dead again, you spawn a fourth time and manage to sneak out of the "kill box" only to be knifed by some pussy sitting in a corner because he's too much of a wimp to fire his weapon, stone cold dead. The kind of camping in which your team can't even leave the spwan point is just irritating; this kind of camping should be dealt with...oh wait, here's an idea, spwan protection. Gears of War did this, when you spwan in you are invicible for about 3-4 seconds so the campers can't shut out the opposing team.

 

[Distorted Stu]

Think about the snipers and the stragety players who sit still FOR A REASON. Say, to defend a room that you know the enemy will enter while a team mate defuses a bomb. Camping is a tactic people just need to learn how to beat. Next peopel will complain about people runnign to much.. oh, wait.. they already have (witchers - MW2).

 

[Fingolfin High-King of the Noldor]

What I think is funny about campers is that when you take out noob tubes to deal with them they get all pissy with you. But one thing I think would be great in Black Ops is that if you spend too much time in a smoke grenade gas you should die from some sort of poison in there. I think that would be really interesting on how campers deal with that.

 

[Owe Johns]

This game is awful, if you scroll through your team while you're dead no one is ever moving. The maps are made for camping and the kill streaks reward it.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

I don't see how it could be punished. How are you going to implement such a system?

Nova Gas is a nice addition, chuck it through a window where you know he's hiding, then wait for him at the bottom of the stairs and he comes running away form it

The spawns aren't even that broken, though.

They really, really are.

I've played numerous games so far on Firing Range and Summit where both teams will continuously keep spawning in the same quarter of the map, in some cases I've had people spawn right into my sights for ultra cheap kills.

It's horrendously broken. And then there's Nuke town... complete pandemonium.

 

[The Arbiter of Cool]

Camping is a strategy. A fair one at that. Adapting to your opponents tactics and learning the camping positions of the map and exercising caution while in these areas is just as much a strategy as camping. As was mentioned earlier in this thread, the reason camping is such a successful tactic is because people will continue to try to attack you from the same vantage/entry point (and continue to get killed) instead of adapting to the situation. Flashbangs and concussion grenades are a campers worst enemy.

The funniest thing to me is when playing a match of domination and some kid starts ranting into the mic about how the other team is camping. The object of the game is to capture and HOLD flags. But I guess kill/death ratios have become more importnat than the objective of the game and DEFENSE has become a lost cause.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

I think a "camping penalty" is just lazy game design. If you don't want campers, design your maps/gameplay accordingly.

Of course, people will still camp (it's not illegeal) but great level design would reduce it.

this. design your maps for all weapon and placement balances (not perfectly, but good enough to be countered) and camping wont be a problem, and neither will annoying commando knifers, nor noobtubers, nor etc...

camping is a legitimate strategy that can be abused but most games it is not, they usually stay in the same spot like dumb asses and cant act accordingly out of their natural habitat, therefore do this special thing called "teamwork" and you will destroy any and all campers.