Poll: Should National Service be introduced

[JWAN]

I say no,

I say no because I don't want to fight with a bunch of enlistees. They tend to be really anti-military and anti-everything important (ex military stuff) You cant win a war these days with a bunch of sniveling, Birkenstock wearing sissies hanging around. Every time you would have to do something you would just get bitching and pants pissing and its just not worth it.

If you don't want to stand next to me in combat I DON'T want you their either. They are burdens and have a short life expectancy because they hesitate over every situation and then they whine. When your getting shot at the last thing I want to hear is a hippie. I would rather they be assisting return fire or helping the situation.

 

[JWAN]

Sure, if you want to live in a militaristic far-right nation.

Absolutely not, I wouldn't fight for my nation if they went to war, I'd leave to a peaceful nation.

Germany is far left and they have mandatory service.
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If that's what you believe then I don't want you next to me in combat. Its not a diss its just that if that's who you are then I don't want to have to deal with another scenario going on on my end of the stock ya know?

 

[Bat Vader]

It sickens me to hear of military service referred to as 'slavery' or 'serfdom.' Yes, compulsory service is an issue that draws out many complaints. I for one think that I would be better off right now if I had done military service. But no, I had to follow the 'cool kids' throughout school and looked at military service in much the same way as many of you. I am the son of a 26 year vet, and the co-worker of another 26 year vet, both of which, through their service and intelligent finance, are set for life. Military service is not just having a rifle shoved into your hand an a finger pointed at your target. The military community takes care of its own. I regret not putting my hand up for Uncle Sam, and you that would flee the country instead of defending it make me sick. At least in America there are enough people who realize the sweet deal that military service provides, negating the need for compulsory service. However, the fact still remains that if you are unwilling to take up arms in defense of your country, who will? You might disagree with a war, but that doesn't mean your enemy would be so understanding. Would you be a police officer? A firefighter? What is the difference really? I am sure being stationed overseas away from friends and family sucks but when you consider the alternative, your ***** becomes moot. I still believe that the best thing that could happen to me would be to be drafted, because I don't have the balls to sign up. Agree with a particular war or not, your country's well being directly impacts you, whether you are too dense to see it or not. Negative propaganda from within a country is worse than from outside.

Hippies Suck.

Why attack the hippies? That was back in the 60's and 70's. These days people are wanna be hippies, but not actual hippies.

 

[JWAN]

As an Authoritarian most definitely yes.

If it was like a 6 month stint or something I would say yea. But I don't want a bunch of hippies questioning morality while every terrorist in hell is rocketing your position and crawling through your wire. I want someone who could focus on the job at hand, to their immediate front and shoot to kill. Its war not a poli sci class. If you end up with a pacifist in your ranger grave chances are your brains are going to be splattered all over the back of the ditch because Ghandi decided to take it easy.
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Besides a lot people these days think that if your nice to someone they will automatically treat you well. Of your fighting an organization hell bent and created just especially for your destruction they will have a pretty hard time accepting the fact that the enemy is at the gates, and they want to lop your head off no matter how many times you complemented their mud and straw hut.

I bet if the General's were allowed to run the war instead of cigar chomping bureaucrats more stuff would get done. That's true for every nation. Every country has its leadership issues and people need to realize that letting the warriors fight and the peacemakers hug trees is the natural balance. When you go the other way all of a sudden you get a quagmire. You need the people who know how to fight to go out and fight or else your just blowing smoke up the enemies collective ass.

 

[RLBiscuit]

Cheeze_Pavilion tells me I should take the Vietnam Vets into account when I speak of government benefits. Now gof22 asks me why I attack the hippies because that was the 1960's and 70's. And I got bitched at for using the term slavery in my previous statement and there it is, used by avykins, right fucking there.
I pay my fucking taxes too ************. I just think that the way things are going today you might appreciate the fact that you sit in front of your computer in the comfort of wherever the fuck you are, which is undoubtedly not a battlefield.
So, you can find fault with what I say all you want, but all I am trying to do is support the western war effort against those who seek to destroy us simply because we exist. I'm not the one who said the DRAFT should be VOLUNTARY (avykins). I can only hope you see the obvious contradiction.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

As an Authoritarian most definitely yes.

If it was like a 6 month stint or something I would say yea. But I don't want a bunch of hippies questioning morality while every terrorist in hell is rocketing your position and crawling through your wire. I want someone who could focus on the job at hand, to their immediate front and shoot to kill. Its war not a poli sci class. If you end up with a pacifist in your ranger grave chances are your brains are going to be splattered all over the back of the ditch because Ghandi decided to take it easy.
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Besides a lot people these days think that if your nice to someone they will automatically treat you well. Of your fighting an organization hell bent and created just especially for your destruction they will have a pretty hard time accepting the fact that the enemy is at the gates, and they want to lop your head off no matter how many times you complemented their mud and straw hut.

I bet if the General's were allowed to run the war instead of cigar chomping bureaucrats more stuff would get done. That's true for every nation. Every country has its leadership issues and people need to realize that letting the warriors fight and the peacemakers hug trees is the natural balance. When you go the other way all of a sudden you get a quagmire. You need the people who know how to fight to go out and fight or else your just blowing smoke up the enemies collective ass.

True I support a system similar to what Heinlein proposes in Starship Troopers. Allowing people to choose between civil and military service. Instills a better sense of Nation, Citizenship and responsibility as far as I am concerned. Though I agree with you hence why I believe there must be an alternative to military service to keep the hippies out of the way.

 

[CrystalShadow]

Discussions like this remind me why I hate nationalism.
I don't care about any given country over any other one. At most, I care about the immediate environment I live in. - I would defend it if it came down to it, but not because I particularly care.


Of course, I immediately also have the rather uncomfortable realisation that I want to be 'free' in the true sense of the word, and yet the understanding to know that being truly free is impossible.

You think you're free? Think again. You are only free in a relative sense.

Don't want to listen to your boss? quit. (or get fired). But... Face the consequence of not getting paid.

More importantly, try not breathing for a while. Or ignoring the force of gravity.

No-one is truly free. It's not possible. And that makes depressed if I let it.

 

[Bat Vader]

As an Authoritarian most definitely yes.

If it was like a 6 month stint or something I would say yea. But I don't want a bunch of hippies questioning morality while every terrorist in hell is rocketing your position and crawling through your wire. I want someone who could focus on the job at hand, to their immediate front and shoot to kill. Its war not a poli sci class. If you end up with a pacifist in your ranger grave chances are your brains are going to be splattered all over the back of the ditch because Ghandi decided to take it easy.
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Besides a lot people these days think that if your nice to someone they will automatically treat you well. Of your fighting an organization hell bent and created just especially for your destruction they will have a pretty hard time accepting the fact that the enemy is at the gates, and they want to lop your head off no matter how many times you complemented their mud and straw hut.

I bet if the General's were allowed to run the war instead of cigar chomping bureaucrats more stuff would get done. That's true for every nation. Every country has its leadership issues and people need to realize that letting the warriors fight and the peacemakers hug trees is the natural balance. When you go the other way all of a sudden you get a quagmire. You need the people who know how to fight to go out and fight or else your just blowing smoke up the enemies collective ass.

There are things though that the military might ask that should not be done if it hurts more innocent people then it will help them. While our enemies may not be as morally driven as we are it is our morals that sets us apart from them.

When I say our morals I refer to everyone who knows the difference between right and wrong. I understand there are grey areas at time and our best judgement should be used to respond to those grey areas.

 

[Satin6T]

Is it too much to ask 2 years of your life for your nation?

 

[Bat Vader]

Cheeze_Pavilion tells me I should take the Vietnam Vets into account when I speak of government benefits. Now gof22 asks me why I attack the hippies because that was the 1960's and 70's. And I got bitched at for using the term slavery in my previous statement and there it is, used by avykins, right fucking there.
I pay my fucking taxes too ************. I just think that the way things are going today you might appreciate the fact that you sit in front of your computer in the comfort of wherever the fuck you are, which is undoubtedly not a battlefield.
So, you can find fault with what I say all you want, but all I am trying to do is support the western war effort against those who seek to destroy us simply because we exist. I'm not the one who said the DRAFT should be VOLUNTARY (avykins). I can only hope you see the obvious contradiction.

All you said was hippies suck. I wish to know a full reasoning behind it is all. There are times when war may be the only option. The hippies mostly hated the Vietnam war and for good reason as well. Our soldiers did some terrible things over there.

One incident was when many soldiers went in and killed a bunch of innocent Vietnamese men, women, and children. And the military just covered it up. It was the massacre of a Vietnamese village called My Lai.

But there were three Americans who did try to stop the massacre and were labeled as traitors for it. 30 years later they did get medals for their bravery though.

I do appreciate the fact that men and women are fighting for my freedom but that is of their choice to join. National Service forces people to work which takes away the essence of choice.

If people want to work that is their choice. It should not be enforced upon them.

 

[Valiance]

Why make me leave my family, home, job, established life to give me a lesson in discipline and how I'm supposed to live?

 

[Booze Zombie]

Fuck no!
I do not believe training everyone in how to effectively use weapons and then chucking them back onto the streets is an effective solution!

Do tell, would you prefer groups of aimless thugs or groups of disciplined gangs with weapon and combat training?

 

[Elf Defiler Korgan]

I am hearing a lot of defiance on this board. Fuck the country, I won't fight for it, it is just a piece of dirt, I'd fight the state if you tried to make me go, it is a breach of rights. As beneficiaries of the post-war consumer-capitalist boom, of course we feel this way. We've had it easy, American or Australian or from the U.K there has always been a bit of disposable income around. We buy our games, we amass more goods. Due to the balance of power, especially after the fall of the Soviet Republics, we are safe and cushy. No invasion is on the horizon for us. Life is good and we want to be left alone to enjoy the good life (cue Tony Bennett and Billy Joel).

However, a problem emerges; do our publics have the mettle to face a domestic adversity if it comes our way? Without national service teaching the basics of responding and reacting to modern warfare are we just incredibly vulnerable citizens? Contributing to the economic strength of our nation through taxes and work, but always being weak in power?weak or restricted in armaments and devoid of training and morale (the first does not apply to Americans of course).

I'll share a short story. Coming across the question of what are the responsibilities of a citizen to their country in my sociological readings, I decided to ask a friend. Now this friend was a bit of what you might call tough. A calm guy, he had done some martial arts, so slightly above the average. His response was shocking. If war broke out he would head for the hills. Not to wage an attempted guerrilla war, but to flange and leave others to their fate. This person was deadly serious, he cared nothing for out political structure and was very interested in saving his own neck. He seemed to miss the fact that if a take-over (unlikely, but geo-politics can change suddenly) occurred he could kiss his previous life good-bye.

Now I am no gung-ho nutter, I am a young academic. I used to hold the idea of fuck the state and that it can get lost, making demands of me tshh, who do they think they are? Unfortunately, if the majority of a society holds this view-point, it will not survive serious adversity. The Greek city-states on the edge of the Persian Empire understood this. National service is a means to prepare for the future, by training the citizenry and instilling some sense of morale. This is done so hopefully very few of the public head to the hills the minute real trouble emerges.

 

[S.H.A.R.P.]

NO! The world should eventually be rid of war. War is a bad thing. We do not want war. National service is adversary to that reasoning.

Also, some people are not suitable for war. War often leaves scars on someone's psyche. That may hamper their personal development, which is not exactly a good thin methinks.