Poll: Should National Service be introduced

[PurpleRain]

Having served in the military myself it pisses me off to know end hearing people ***** about every little thing going wrong when their biggest contribution has to pay taxes. Its not like they have to send in a check every month, you do taxes once a year. As far as I am concerned, if people are not at least willing to put down their lives for the nations they live in(unless its an oppressive regime) then they should sit down and shut up.

Dude, America alone has enough money to defeat world hunger, and and stop extreme poverty. But they don't. You know why? Because they spend a shite load on their military!

USA, in one year spent: $607,000,000,000! Six hundred billion! Granted, most money goes to keeping those nukes they have in upkeep, and we all know how usful they are in modern day society. So practical, I ride them to work.

I don't think it's right to force people to join the military against their will. However if you are a nation like Israel I can appreciate why national service happens.

Makes it easier to run people over with tanks? I fail to see your point here.

 

[open trap]

I think Conscription out of highschool is a good Idea, but it should also have exceptions in the case of college and the like, but at some time I think everyone should put in at least 2 years to the service of their nation.

Having served in the military myself it pisses me off to know end hearing people ***** about every little thing going wrong when their biggest contribution has to pay taxes. Its not like they have to send in a check every month, you do taxes once a year. As far as I am concerned, if people are not at least willing to put down their lives for the nations they live in(unless its an oppressive regime) then they should sit down and shut up.


Sometimes I wish they adopt a system like in Starship troopers(cheesy movie), unless you serve you cant vote or be open for any of the other governmental programs available.

People like you, ho refer to non-military personnel as "civvies" and think that pacifists should not be allowed to rule a nation are why wars are started. Most wars are started because one nation gets paranoid about the military buildup of another. A free nation means just that, you have the freedom to do anything within the law. You aren't FORCED into anything you wouldn't want to do. If your nation does conscription, it's no better than North Korea.

in the 21st century wars are started by radical extreemist such as irans president or north koreas prisedent,not a country improving and expanding its military

 

[orangebandguy]

The yobs do need it mind you. But I wouldn't want to do it really, two years from my lovely computer would kill me.

 

[TwistedEllipses]

Nope, not everyone is suited for the army and will get anything beneficial from it...

National service, at least the concept of it, doesn't require military service. It's just 2 years working for the government in some non-profit getting paid to do what would otherwise be volunteer work. Military service I imagine could be substituted for it though.

ah, the OP didn't really make that clear. Yeah, I would agree with that then, it would create a more rounded character and give experience of something different at the very least...

 

[oliveira8]

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Do you know what Iran and North Korea are doing? IMPROVING AND EXPANDING ITS MILITARY!

If they wanted they can go to war with sticks and stones, but they can't so they must improve and expand their military, to go to war.

And its not only on the 21st Century its been like this since ever. Money, Greed and Power.

 

[Simalacrum]

I'm a strognly opinionated paccifist, I don't like getting involved in the military in any way, even if its for 'queen and country'. sorry.

 

[open trap]

Hell no, we have enough meat-heads who sign themselves up for it as it is.
There are other ways of teaching people respect instead of making them shoot people in illegal wars with unfit equipment. I will never fight in our army.

illigal wars, sir please tell me what makes war legal or illigal because i really want to. war is war and i plan on standing up for my country and keeping it people safe. and why do you refer to our soldiers as meet headas. lets see you call in a precise artillery strike or assualt an enemy baseand stay alive. people like you have no respect for the people who deserve it. you dont even no what you are talking about

 

[zahr]

Sometimes I wish they adopt a system like in Starship troopers(cheesy movie), unless you serve you cant vote or be open for any of the other governmental programs available.

I would take up the profession of terrorism, and I would be targeting people like you. Risking my life trying to control another nation? Not for me. But risking my life to defend my own nation's freedom from the political right? Worth dying for.

Thankfully my country is a sensible one, so that sort of twisted, warmonger government will never happen.

@Open Trap: you should familiarize yourself with international law. Most of the US's military operations have been illegal.

 

[sallene]

EDIT - Redacted, dont mind me.

 

[open trap]

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Do you know what Iran and North Korea are doing? IMPROVING AND EXPANDING ITS MILITARY!

If they wanted they can go to war with sticks and stones, but they can't so they must improve and expand their military, to go to war.

And its not only on the 21st Century its been like this since ever. Money, Greed and Power.

you no its not the expanding of the military that makes them a rouge state its they way they use it, its what there leaders want to do with it. Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map, if he was expanding his military to help keep his country safe in an unstable region( which the middle east is) then that would be a good thing

 

[open trap]

Sometimes I wish they adopt a system like in Starship troopers(cheesy movie), unless you serve you cant vote or be open for any of the other governmental programs available.

I would take up the profession of terrorism, and I would be targeting people like you. Risking my life trying to control another nation? Not for me. But risking my life to defend my own nation's freedom from the political right? Worth dying for.

Thankfully my country is a sensible one, so that sort of twisted, warmonger government will never happen.

@Open Trap: you should familiarize yourself with international law. Most of the US's military operations have been illegal.

again please tell me what makes war illigal or legal. to me war is war

 

[zahr]

yes, cuase its not like they arent in the middle of hostile nations surrounded by extremists who want to finish the genocide hitler started.....

there are more than just the one side to this situation buddy boy, maybe make a mental note to do some research on things before you decide to type.

No one forced Israel to go right in the middle of Muslim lands. They chose that themselves, for some sort of bullshit religious reason.

They selected Hard Mode when they chose that location; whatever the Muslims do to them is exactly what they knew would happen.

Don't feel sympathetic for Israel. They brought it on themselves.

@Open Trap: I'm sure you'll learn when you reach high school or later, presuming your nation has a decent education system. Unless it's a system that likes to keep people ignorant, the better to lead them into illegal wars...

 

[sallene]

EDIT - Redacted, dont mind me.

 

[PurpleRain]

Having served in the military myself it pisses me off to know end hearing people ***** about every little thing going wrong when their biggest contribution has to pay taxes. Its not like they have to send in a check every month, you do taxes once a year. As far as I am concerned, if people are not at least willing to put down their lives for the nations they live in(unless its an oppressive regime) then they should sit down and shut up.

Dude, America alone has enough money to defeat world hunger, and and stop extreme poverty. But they don't. You know why? Because they spend a shite load on their military!

USA, in one year spent: $607,000,000,000! Six hundred billion! Granted, most money goes to keeping those nukes they have in upkeep, and we all know how usful they are in modern day society. So practical, I ride them to work.

Dude, christ man.....

*facepalm*

You do understand the scope of world hunger and that it is about more than just being able to supply food to people who need it right? Many of those starving people you include in world hunger are in soveriegn nations that dont distribute the food we give to them to the people now and you want us to send more? Gain some knowledge before you speak man.

seriusly the amount of sheer fecal matter in your reply would fill the grand canyon with its scope and amount.

It's been estimated that $173,000,000,000 would be the annual cost of raising everyone under the '$1.25 a day line' above that threshold.
Others estimate just $50,000,000,000 a year could end world hunger.

http://www.oxfamblogs.org/fp2p/?p=206

Also, I'm going to ignore that last statement about me. My digestive is fine thank you.

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And really dude? My point was, does the US need that much money on guns? What's the point of having so many nukes when you could as easily use the money for, of gosh, I don't know, education?

I don't think it's right to force people to join the military against their will. However if you are a nation like Israel I can appreciate why national service happens.

Makes it easier to run people over with tanks? I fail to see your point here.

yes, cuase its not like they arent in the middle of hostile nations surrounded by extremists who want to finish the genocide hitler started.....

there are more than just the one side to this situation buddy boy, maybe make a mental note to do some research on things before you decide to type.

So you see Palestine as an enemy? Why? They're not the one's with the White Phosphorus.

 

[sallene]

EDIT - Redacted, dont mind me.

 

[The Magical Hobo]

The main issue for the people against national service is that for the most part they only see it as military service. However, national service includes all types of civil service, from street cleaning to military service, also it is usually after post-secondary education. One of the primary purposes of national service is to build national pride, people care more about a country they helped build.

 

[sallene]

Edit - Redacted, see below.



you know what, nevermind...

its not worth it.

 

[PurpleRain]

It's been estimated that $173,000,000,000 would be the annual cost of raising everyone under the '$1.25 a day line' above that threshold.
Others estimate just $50,000,000,000 a year could end world hunger.

http://www.oxfamblogs.org/fp2p/?p=206

And you propose getting this food or money to them how? the main obsticle has always been the corrupt governments in place in the countries we give aid to. Unless you say you are willing to support an invasion and takeover of the nations in question to be able to get the food and money to the people would you say we should accomplish this feet?

So you see Palestine as an enemy? Why? They're not the one's with the White Phosphorus.

Yet the extremeists of the population continue to ignore every peace treaty and continue to launch rockets from civilian locations in palestine while targeting civilian locations in isreal. If the palestinian citizens stood up to the extremists in their midst and stopped them from using their lands as a ...

you know what, nevermind...

its not worth it.

???

Huh? I think you better read up a bit. As far as I was aware, Isreal cut the last peace treaty short. And the whole firing rockets is a two way thing. Each is trying to defeand themselves. I think they should both just stop, but I can not and never will sympathise with a country that destroys civilian buildings and gases the people there (both do, aside the latter. That's Isreal). So unless you're getting your information off Fox News, I'd say stop being so narrow minded thinking that Isreal are the shining heroes.

 

[new_age_reject]

Hell no, we have enough meat-heads who sign themselves up for it as it is.
There are other ways of teaching people respect instead of making them shoot people in illegal wars with unfit equipment. I will never fight in our army.

illigal wars, sir please tell me what makes war legal or illigal because i really want to. war is war and i plan on standing up for my country and keeping it people safe. and why do you refer to our soldiers as meet headas. lets see you call in a precise artillery strike or assualt an enemy baseand stay alive. people like you have no respect for the people who deserve it. you dont even no what you are talking about

Judging by the grammar I sound just about right.
But seriously, I don't wanna get killed invading some helpless country for the sake of nothing but more oil. I am quite happy to sit at home and let the others do the pointless fighting and dick waving.
If a time comes when the enemy is at my door, sure then I'll fight to protect my family and friends but not for some crackpot leader that doesn't know his ass from his elbow and for some mindless cause that I don't believe in.