I don't think it will turn us into a right-wing nazi state, but I still think it's wrong and against my freedom.Del-Toro said:
I always understood Hitler created them, not taking them over.Kubanator said:
Poll: Should National Service be introduced
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The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: De-Nationalsozialistische_Deutsche_Arbeiterpartei.ogg Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (help·info), abbreviated NSDAP), commonly known in English as the Nazi Party (from the Ger. pronunciation of Nationalsozialist (based on earlier Ger. sozi, popular abbreviation of "sozialist")[1], was a political party in Germany between 1919 and 1945. It was known as the German Workers' Party (DAP) before the name was changed in 1920.
The party's last leader, Adolf Hitler, was appointed Chancellor of Germany by president Paul von Hindenburg in 1933. Hitler rapidly established a totalitarian regime[2][3][4][5] known as the Third Reich.
Hitler discovered that he had talent as an orator, and his ability to draw new members, combined with his characteristic ruthlessness, soon made him the dominant figure. Drexler recognized this, and Hitler became party chairman on 28 July 1921.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
The party's last leader, Adolf Hitler, was appointed Chancellor of Germany by president Paul von Hindenburg in 1933. Hitler rapidly established a totalitarian regime[2][3][4][5] known as the Third Reich.
Hitler discovered that he had talent as an orator, and his ability to draw new members, combined with his characteristic ruthlessness, soon made him the dominant figure. Drexler recognized this, and Hitler became party chairman on 28 July 1921.
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Exactly, a military of voluntary soldiers is much more efficient than one where the people are forced to join. Also,it is almost like slavery as you don't have a choice. Also, there are some people I wouldn't want in the military, mostly mentally unstable.berethond said:
How do you "defeat" world hunger? Feed everybody? How do you "stop" poverty? Give everybody money? When the money and food run out, do you give them some more?PurpleRain said:
Why is it a nation's government's job to defeat world hunger? I think Americans pay their taxes understanding that the money is going to go toward their nation's defense, not to plant carrots in Somalia.
Answer to this is simple. "does it infringe on the rights of the individual?" A. Yes it does henceforth it is unjust and reprehensable. Why should I be in any sort of forced servitude to the powers that be? I'm all for it being a voluntary option but not mandated by those in positions of authority.
Also college or work does the same thing with the benefit of freedom of choice.
Also college or work does the same thing with the benefit of freedom of choice.
This is quite funny btw, how people seem to think that it's either education or national service...
In Finland, it ccertainly isn't so. One year, max, for national service. You get free food, free clothing, roof on top of your head, training and skills and you get paid a little on top. Since you have until almost your 30 to complete the service, you can do the service before uni, in the middle of the uni (if you get bored of books etc) or after the uni. It does nothing to hinder education.
Just take a look at our 'stats'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland#Military
The Finnish Defence Forces consists of a cadre of professional soldiers (mainly officers and technical personnel), currently serving conscripts and a large reserve. The standard readiness strength is 34,700 people in uniform, of which 25% are professional soldiers. A universal male conscription is in place, under which all male Finnish nationals above 18 years of age serve for 6 to 12 months of armed service or 12 months of civilian (non-armed) service. Alternative non-military service and volunteer service by women (chosen by around 500 annually)[59] are possible. Finland is the only non-NATO EU country bordering Russia. Finland's official policy states that the 350,000 reservists, armed mostly with ground weaponry are a sufficient deterrent. Finland has one of the largest armies in Europe per capita.
The Finnish Defense Forces favor partnerships with Western institutions such as NATO, WEU and the EU, but are careful to avoid politics.[60] Finland's defence budget equals about ?2 billion or about 1.4?1.6 % of the GDP. In international comparisons Finnish defense expenditure is around the third highest in the EU.[61] Voluntary overseas service is popular and troops serve around the world in UN, NATO and EU peace-keeping missions. Residents claim around 80 % homeland defense willingness, one of the highest rates in Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland#Education_and_science
In tertiary education, two, mostly separate and non-interoperating sectors are found: the profession-oriented polytechnics and the research-oriented universities. Finns used to take student loans and scholarships, but for the past decades the financial risk has been moved solely to the government. There are 20 universities and 30 polytechnics in the country. The World Economic Forum ranks Finland's tertiary education #1 in the world.[82] Around 33% of residents have a tertiary degree, similar to Nordics and more than in most other OECD countries.
More than 30 % of tertiary graduates are in science-related fields. Finnish researchers are leading contributors to such fields as forest improvement, new materials, the environment, neural networks, low-temperature physics, brain research, biotechnology, genetic technology and communications.[85]
Finland is highly productive in scientific research. In 2005, Finland had the fourth most scientific publications per capita of the OECD countries
In Finland, it ccertainly isn't so. One year, max, for national service. You get free food, free clothing, roof on top of your head, training and skills and you get paid a little on top. Since you have until almost your 30 to complete the service, you can do the service before uni, in the middle of the uni (if you get bored of books etc) or after the uni. It does nothing to hinder education.
Just take a look at our 'stats'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland#Military
The Finnish Defence Forces consists of a cadre of professional soldiers (mainly officers and technical personnel), currently serving conscripts and a large reserve. The standard readiness strength is 34,700 people in uniform, of which 25% are professional soldiers. A universal male conscription is in place, under which all male Finnish nationals above 18 years of age serve for 6 to 12 months of armed service or 12 months of civilian (non-armed) service. Alternative non-military service and volunteer service by women (chosen by around 500 annually)[59] are possible. Finland is the only non-NATO EU country bordering Russia. Finland's official policy states that the 350,000 reservists, armed mostly with ground weaponry are a sufficient deterrent. Finland has one of the largest armies in Europe per capita.
The Finnish Defense Forces favor partnerships with Western institutions such as NATO, WEU and the EU, but are careful to avoid politics.[60] Finland's defence budget equals about ?2 billion or about 1.4?1.6 % of the GDP. In international comparisons Finnish defense expenditure is around the third highest in the EU.[61] Voluntary overseas service is popular and troops serve around the world in UN, NATO and EU peace-keeping missions. Residents claim around 80 % homeland defense willingness, one of the highest rates in Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland#Education_and_science
In tertiary education, two, mostly separate and non-interoperating sectors are found: the profession-oriented polytechnics and the research-oriented universities. Finns used to take student loans and scholarships, but for the past decades the financial risk has been moved solely to the government. There are 20 universities and 30 polytechnics in the country. The World Economic Forum ranks Finland's tertiary education #1 in the world.[82] Around 33% of residents have a tertiary degree, similar to Nordics and more than in most other OECD countries.
More than 30 % of tertiary graduates are in science-related fields. Finnish researchers are leading contributors to such fields as forest improvement, new materials, the environment, neural networks, low-temperature physics, brain research, biotechnology, genetic technology and communications.[85]
Finland is highly productive in scientific research. In 2005, Finland had the fourth most scientific publications per capita of the OECD countries
Does gun control infringe on the rights of the individual? Yes, therefore it is unjust and reprehensible.sneakypenguin said:
Do job security laws infringe on the rights of the individual? Yes, therefore unjust and reprehensible. Nevermind the amounts of accidents and injuries they remove, they infringe on our freedoms!
Do taxes infringe on the rights of the individual? Yes, it's my money, gorramit! Taxes are reprehensible and unjust!
Do teraffic laws infringe on the rights of the individual? Yes, it is my right to drive however I want!
Really, while you are entitled to you opinion, at least state logical reasons for it.
The United States of America already has Selective Service Registration for every male at the age of 18 that serves as a back-door for the Draft were it ever to be reinstated. I suppose that a better question (for any Americans) would be "Should there be a Selective Service Registration for Women?"
I don't make the quotes, I just find them and use them as they were said. It's called... quotingCheeze_Pavilion said:
And what of internal fighting? It's been a few years since I've read upon the history of Iceland. But yes, iceland is one of the few modern contries that didn't have to be invaded in order for it to exist, the Vikings just went there and found it uninhabited.
Compulsory military service is preparing for war. The war might never come, but it it still training for war. Exactly like training to shoot is training to kill, even when you might never actually use the gun to kill. And in most countries, some generation has had to pay for the freedom exhibited by the current generation, by fighting in a war to defend the existance of their state.
I think Vietnam gave a pretty good indication of how the country feels about conscription. Imagine if people were drafted for the current war. There would be riots in the streets, especially given the revelations about the lies and the fake reasons for going in the first place.
I'm sure with six-hundred billion plus, the government can think of something. They would be pretty set to retooling poverty striken and hungry countries, as well as feeding them and granting farms and power.Lord Monocle Von Banworthy said:
When the money runs out, hand them more. That toatal summery of money was a spending of one year. So, so much money gone to waste. What is America going to do with those guns and nukes? Nothing/end lives/sell them?
Most naturally don't wait until they are 25 or 27 or whatever to go to the military, but it does allow people with special circumstances to set up their life and solve their problems. Most enter the service between ages 18-20. The increased age-limit is mostly for those who are either unable or unfit to enter the service at a younger age. And it does add its own cadre of problems: How many men at the age of say 25 can take orders from a sergeant that's only 19? People tend to realize this when the think about when they shall go to the military.Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Whatever they want! That's what they're going to do! It's not their JOB to GIVE other countries ANYTHING. That's my point. It's not their job to give them food, it's not their job to give them seeds to grow food.PurpleRain said:
And that selfish hateful attitude is why nothing gets done in this world. We have so many people complaining to try and help fix the problems, but while countries, like the US keep jerking off to their amazing brilliance, spending over six-hundred billion $$$ a year on nothing usful, WMD's that sit in silos looking good.Lord Monocle Von Banworthy said:
It is everyone's job to keep the world a healthy and beautiful place. It's people such as yourself that don't care is what it holding everything back.