Poll: Should Paedophiles be allowed a Second Chance?

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THAC0

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while i am not one to typically jump on the witch hunt wagon, i had some problems with the language in the poll.

if someone has to be "kept from re offending" then their is no reason to keep them alive.

Also, considering the rate that these people do re offend, it seems like trying to watch them all the time is a task that is just too big and expensive. Why not spend that money to on catching people that are still out there and not just watching the ones that they already caught but then turned free?

While i don't have the strong emotional hatred for these people that others seem to posses, for me it is just a matter of logistics. can these people prove that their lives are valuable enough to risk letting them go free? if not then just kill them and be done with it.
 

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14 years in jail? I wonder how long it will take the kids to get over being kidnapped and molested? A lifetime? Scratch that, three kids, three lifetimes should have been his minimum sentence. Pedophiles and rapists should NEVER BE FORGIVEN. My girlfriend got raped by a pedophile when she was 12. She knows who it was, and i'm going to have to track him down. I don't care if I get banned for this, or even investigated by the pigs, but when I find him, i'm gonna kidnap him, tie him up, cut out his tongue, saw of his cock and violate him with a razor. And tattoo the words "NONCE" and "RAPIST" on his face and let him go. Someone who would do that deserves the worst punishment imaginable, words cannot begin to describe the pure, burning fucking hatred I feel for these cunts. I'm gonna log off now before I put my head through the moniter. By the way, anyone who could forgive a pedophile is either an idiot or a horrible, horrible person.
 

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With rehabilitation and punishment it needs to be considered wether they fit the crime. Some criminals should never be forgiven though
 

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Okay, strictly speaking I believe that the way the legal system is supposed to work is that someone is assigned so much time in jail and then they are released. I understand the dangers but under the current system if they are released then they should have true freedom and people should not be allowed to kick them out of communities, and limit their rights.

This is not to say that the legal system is actually RIGHT in releasing these guys to begin with for the most part. Especially with the rate of multiple offense. Having been molested when I was six (traumatic enough I don't remeber it) I'm all for a death penelty or life imprisonment, rendering the above arguement moot. However under the current situations I feel society should play along by the spirit of it's own rules. None of these offender registries and such should exist. If they are agreed upon to require such things they should not be walking the street to begin with. In harassing people who have been freed from prison society itself becomes the bad guy.

Basically society needs to grow a pair when it comes to letting the system punish people.

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When it comes to pedophillia and "statutory rape" I have mixed opinions on the subject. I do not know the details of this guy's case so this is not associated with him.

Generally speaking I have no issue with teens having sex with each other. I'm one of those "distribute condoms in school" type guys. It's part of growing up and learning about life. Everyone involved is immature so it tends to balance out.

I DO have an issue with adults having sex with teenagers. It's not a physical thing (even if a bit gross) since the teens are physically capable of sex and such. It's a mental and emotional thing, and I feel that the adult and teen views of life and relationships simply differ FAR too much. Having some teen girl convinced that the 30 year old guy really loves her and wants to take care of her can be a SERIOUS problem, and it does happen (just an example). That's a no-no. There are just so many things that can go wrong that it's illegal for a reason.

Still I draw a line between someone who for example gets involved with "Jailbait" and someone who molests pre-sexual humans. Especially seeing as you find PLENTY of young people (girls especially) who chase older men and present themselves as being older and such. Depending on the situation this might just be a slap on the wrist type offense. Part of being an adult is responsibility, being careful of such things, and having the self control to keep it in your bloody pants when it's wrong. We are not animals.

The guys who deserve death are those who chase after little children, presexual humans.

On the issue of Jailbait, some of my favorite examples for explaining why a clear line needs to be drawn are things like "Buffy The Vampire Slayer". The character Buffy is like 15 or 16 when the series starts, and she winds up getting it on with a centuries old vampire who is like physically 30 or something. In the context of the series this is okay because it's fantasy and we're dealing with a teenager far differant from anything that really exists (ie superheroes with cosmic responsibilities do not exist, if they did our laws would probably be differant on a lot of things). Still there is no denying it turned Sarah Michelle Geller into a superstar sex symbol for quite a while. This without getting into movies like "Porky's" and "American Pie", various adult comics, anime, manga, and whatever other fantasy you decide to come up with. The thing about being an adult is responsibility and seperating fantasy from reality.

At any rate, my general attitude is that if the guy in the above article attacked pre-sexual humans, they should have just put him out of everyone's misery. Grow a pair and write some laws to reflect that, or get used to the idea of defending freaks because society GAVE them the rights.

Things like this are why I oppose censorship in other threads, and suggest companies like Valve consider stronger action. Once you establish messed up laws they are hard to deal with. Today society releases pedophilles, tomorrow it censors video games.

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As far as "curing" sex offenders goes, well nobody wants to do the research to be honest. Sex drives are based on chemicals, and the brain. Truthfully nobody fully understands it. We do know however that you CAN change someone's sexual orientation through hardcore deprogramming methods (ie long term regimented physical and mental torture). Simply put people can evolve, have their personalities fragment, and all kinds of things. You torment someone to the point where youg get the changes you want, record the changes that occured, and then find ways to try and artificially induce them.

Many people argue there must be easier methods to do the research, but not really, which is why you don't see it being done (then there are of course political issues about someone developing a 'cure' for homosexuality and such, but that is another issue entirely).

Right now the best bet is chemical castration, but honestly that's considered cruel and unusual in many places. The idea of giving someone a choice of death or chemical castration is something that nobody wants to put on the books. It also raises the issue of things like the damage they already did.

This is getting too involved, but basically I feel that the guys harassing the dude are wrong, but only because they themselves decided they were. If they are going to attack the guy with firebombs, just pass a law saying to dust off 'ol sparky (or whatever they use in Australia).
 

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No.

I would maybe forgive thieves, and even murderers. But rapists and paedophiles to me are the worst kind of criminal. They should all be shot on sight, or spend the rest of their days rotting in a tiny cell.
O.e The law would class a 16 year old boy having sex with his girlfriend, who's 15, as a rapist. You'd shoot him? But it's ok if he just slits her throat instead. Paedophiles though, Wouldnt shoot them, but punish them greatly.

And bad cases of rape of course.
 

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magicmonkeybars said:
polygon said:
I find it very amusing that people hold such huge contempt for child molesters while murderers are just average bad guys.

You can get over being raped (I did!). You can't get over being dead.
Dead people don't suffer from being murdered like victims of rape suffer from being raped.
You can cure a pedofile as much as you can homosexual, which is to say not at all.
as for forgiving I don't know but regardless I wouldn't want one living next door to me either way.
That's not entirely true. Pedophilia is in fact calssified as one of a wide category of mental disorders known as paraphilic disorders. In many cases, pedophiles can control their urges, or they can even be cured of them with intense psychotherapy and medications. It is rare to be cured of the condition, but it has shown that it can be done, and has (although rarely). It is not like homosexuality. Pedophilia displays many of the ear-marks of a mental illness, and if appraoched as an illness, can be combatted in many cases. The trouble is that a pedophile must want to be cured and follow through with the treatment that is prescribed.

I have posted these sources in another thread, so to some, they may be old news.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Pedophilia.html

http://www.medem.com/?q=medlib/article/ZZZUZRUZGLC
 

HentMas

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i dont like this threads, if i say they deserve a second chance i am a pedofile, if i say they dont i am the same as almost everybody else

but yes, i do think they deserve a seccond chance, because being a pedofilic IS A SICKNESS, a mental illness, one haves to be SERIOUSLY SCREWED UP to be a pedofilic

giving him the propper attention and a good doctor is the best course of action and he might get better...
 

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NIHILHATE said:
14 years in jail? I wonder how long it will take the kids to get over being kidnapped and molested? A lifetime? Scratch that, three kids, three lifetimes should have been his minimum sentence. Pedophiles and rapists should NEVER BE FORGIVEN. My girlfriend got raped by a pedophile when she was 12. She knows who it was, and i'm going to have to track him down. I don't care if I get banned for this, or even investigated by the pigs, but when I find him, i'm gonna kidnap him, tie him up, cut out his tongue, saw of his cock and violate him with a razor. And tattoo the words "NONCE" and "RAPIST" on his face and let him go. Someone who would do that deserves the worst punishment imaginable, words cannot begin to describe the pure, burning fucking hatred I feel for these cunts. I'm gonna log off now before I put my head through the moniter. By the way, anyone who could forgive a pedophile is either an idiot or a horrible, horrible person.


If you do so, your no better than him. Worse infact. While your girlfriend is mentally scared, you will scar him physically. Mental damage can go away, unless you´ve gone clincally insane(Which he likely will, to). Physical damage can´t always go away. What if he has a wife and children? What if he has cried every night since then, trying to come up with a way to win forgiveness? Think about this before you judge. And if you still judge the same after thinking, you are one SICK son of a *****.
 

THAC0

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HentMas said:
because being a pedofilic IS A SICKNESS, a mental illness, one haves to be SERIOUSLY SCREWED UP to be a pedofilic
I'm not one of these, hunt them to the ends of the Earth kind of people. but i have serious issues with that logic, for anything.

watch the South Park episode where Stan's dad thinks that alcoholism is a sickness and you'll see what i mean.

I don't care about any other factors at all. People have got to be held responsible for the stuff they do. Otherwise, we end up in a really scary place.
 

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What if he has a wife and children? What if he has cried every night since then, trying to come up with a way to win forgiveness?
he should have thought about that before he did it.

You can't forgive people just because they feel bad.
 

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NIHILHATE said:
14 years in jail? I wonder how long it will take the kids to get over being kidnapped and molested? A lifetime? Scratch that, three kids, three lifetimes should have been his minimum sentence. Pedophiles and rapists should NEVER BE FORGIVEN. My girlfriend got raped by a pedophile when she was 12. She knows who it was, and i'm going to have to track him down. I don't care if I get banned for this, or even investigated by the pigs, but when I find him, i'm gonna kidnap him, tie him up, cut out his tongue, saw of his cock and violate him with a razor. And tattoo the words "NONCE" and "RAPIST" on his face and let him go. Someone who would do that deserves the worst punishment imaginable, words cannot begin to describe the pure, burning fucking hatred I feel for these cunts. I'm gonna log off now before I put my head through the moniter. By the way, anyone who could forgive a pedophile is either an idiot or a horrible, horrible person.
Have fun in prison buddy. We who can forgive are not the horrible ones, you pathetic pricks who think idiotic vigilantism will help in any way are the horrible ones.

Think about this you moron:

You are an internet tough guy, that much is certain because you say you "don't care if you get banned for this or get investigated by the pigs", a likely story. Anyway, you are not going to track this guy down, because you don't have the guts first off, and you are not going to kidnap this person and "tie him up, cut out his tongue, saw of his cock and violate him with a razor. And tattoo the words "NONCE" and "RAPIST" on his face and let him go." and I'll tell you why: you can't stomach that shit. Go get your neighbour's cat and torture it, go on.

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What's that? You can't? Well if you can't do that to an animal then how do you plan to do it to a human? Someone of your own species. But I'll humour you for a bit, say you do all this (you won't) and do let him go, what is the first thing he will do? He'll go to the police, because surprise surprise, what you just did(n't) do is illegal, and it's the kind of thing you get sent to prison for. Where you'll get a taste of what your little girlfriend went through. TA DA!! You've solved nothing!

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Of course these people should be given a second chance when murders do. Murder is worse than rape, therefore, rapists should not be treated worse than murderers.

Rape is bad, sure, it leaves someone mentally scarred but murder tends to leave you fucking DEAD.

[HEADING=2]EVERYONE DESERVES MERCY!![/HEADING]
 

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I am of several minds on this issue. So I will voice all my opinions.

1) If the person in question is a first-time MOLESTER, then they should be incarcerated, subjected to therapy/chemical castration, and then slowly phased back into society while reporting to the authorities and being kept under careful observation. Pretty much what they do now.

2) However, in the case of repeat offenders, they should be imprisoned for life with no chance of parole.

3) In the case of child rapists, they should be killed. I'm serious. I'm against the death penalty in most cases, but child rape is not only deeply immoral and wrong (like normal rape is) but also indicates a deeply flawed mind. Those who rape children deserve no mercy.

4) In the case of statutory rape (that is, consentual sex between one person over 18 and one under), I believe that they should be imprisoned and released. While statutory rape is creepy, if the act is indeed consentual on both parts, then there is nothing morally wrong with it(unless one of the individuals has been brainwashed or drugged or something like that).

5) In the case of child pornography, treat the man like a first time molester.

In my opinion, sex crimes are among the worst crimes that a person can commit, and those who commit them should recieve little mercy. However, (and without condemning nor condoning) just like the school of thought that says that some people are born gay, there are those who believe that some people are born with a tendancy towards children that they can be cured of. I cannot comment on this matter, as I have seen/heard of cases where this appears to be very true and very false, but it is worth thinking about.

After reading some of the later posts in this topic, I'd like to make it clear that I am very much against vigilante vengence. However satisfying it may be, I strongly believe in the principle of 'innocent until proven guilty'.
 

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I have no problem with paedophiles. It's just another sexuality to me. Any consensual sex is fine with me, and I don't agree with the idea that kids aren't capable of making decisions for themselves.

If the paedophiles in question were rapists, no, no second chances, I'd execute them. If they just had a bunch of photos or engaged in consensual sexual activity, I have no problem.
 

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awesomeClaw said:
NIHILHATE said:
14 years in jail? I wonder how long it will take the kids to get over being kidnapped and molested? A lifetime? Scratch that, three kids, three lifetimes should have been his minimum sentence. Pedophiles and rapists should NEVER BE FORGIVEN. My girlfriend got raped by a pedophile when she was 12. She knows who it was, and i'm going to have to track him down. I don't care if I get banned for this, or even investigated by the pigs, but when I find him, i'm gonna kidnap him, tie him up, cut out his tongue, saw of his cock and violate him with a razor. And tattoo the words "NONCE" and "RAPIST" on his face and let him go. Someone who would do that deserves the worst punishment imaginable, words cannot begin to describe the pure, burning fucking hatred I feel for these cunts. I'm gonna log off now before I put my head through the moniter. By the way, anyone who could forgive a pedophile is either an idiot or a horrible, horrible person.


If you do so, your no better than him. Worse infact. While your girlfriend is mentally scared, you will scar him physically. Mental damage can go away, unless you´ve gone clincally insane(Which he likely will, to). Physical damage can´t always go away. What if he has a wife and children? What if he has cried every night since then, trying to come up with a way to win forgiveness? Think about this before you judge. And if you still judge the same after thinking, you are one SICK son of a *****.
If he has children then they are in danger from raped by that monster themselves.

Anyway, to the original guy. If you ever do track him down then please call the police and get him sent to prison. Torturing him won't reverse the damage he has done and it won't make your girlfriend feel any better to have you in prison. In a way you would have become another victim to that paedophile.

Getting him in court may end up bringing forth more of his victims who will be able to get some closure from seeing him pay for his crimes. Tracking him down and bringing him before the law would make you a hero, but giving him your own brand of justice would make you a criminal and wouldn't solve anything, even if it would make you feel better.
 

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Schneizel said:
I have no problem with paedophiles. It's just another sexuality to me. Any consensual sex is fine with me, and I don't agree with the idea that kids aren't capable of making decisions for themselves.

If the paedophiles in question were rapists, no, no second chances, I'd execute them. If they just had a bunch of photos or engaged in consensual sexual activity, I have no problem.
Yeah this is a pretty good answer for how I feel.

And does anyone actually know how molestation traumatizes kids? I mean I've seen kids get over shit pretty fast, up to and including death of a close relative. I kind of wonder if it's not the fuss everyone makes over the event that traumatizes the kids. Or if they never really care until their later years when they finally figure it out. Either way in most cases the only people I see scarred are the adults involved.

But rape, uhh yeah....