Poll: Should We Legalize Marijiuna?

[HuntrRose]

Legalize for several reasons. The tax'ing economic bit the least one.
The usual argument used against marijuana is that it is a "gateway" drug. More or less true. The marijuana itself does not lead to other drugs, but the contact with criminal elements that also sells other drugs is.

So by moving the marijuana from the "street vendors" to the stores, under the same limitations as alcohol, would give people an alternative to getting shitfaced, would slow down funds to criminal elements and cut down on recruitment to heavier druguse.

And for the record, yes I've used it in the past, and yes I have an education and a job.

More addictive than alcohol.
More harmful than alcohol.

Here is REAL work and reaserch from the USA Office of National Drug Control Policy.
Your sooooo wrong dude [http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/marijuana_myths_facts/]
Stop using lies and made up crap, the research done by real scientists proves your a complete and utter liar.
For those who are skimming along this thread trying to make up an opinon.
[HEADING=2]Click Here Before Posting[/HEADING] [http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/marijuana_myths_facts/]

According to research by the British Government (been a few years since I read it so no direct quotes):
Cannabis, also known as marijuana, ganja, shit, etc. is not physically addictive. It may however, if used excessivly over a long period cause a phsycological dependency in the user.

Cannabis does the same permanent damage to your body as regular smoking, but it also leaves behind TLC in your body. TLC blocks signals between braincells, but this is NOT a permanent thing as it vanishes from the body altogether in about 30-40 days.

Excessive user will build a large amount of TLC wich will cause noticable impairment of cognitive function, but going without for a month or two clears the system of it, leaving the person back at normal.

In comparison, alcohol causes irrepairable damage to the brain and liver if used excessivly over a long period of time. Alcohol is also physicaly addictive.

So, next time you point us to someones research, make sure they are not biased and/or check it against other sources.

 

[chipmunk2510]

I would just like to say I totally fucking called it about this thread.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Yeah pretty much. There comes a time when you need to stop fighting it and accept it.

 

[Shock and Awe]

On one hand I feel that I should say "Yes, let people make their own decisions about what they ingest." However, the other part wants to escalate the War on Drugs to a real war. We could pay some PMCs, have them hit the major producers. Having PMC owned aircraft strafe poppy plantations and drug smuggling compounds would be amazing.

Why does that remind me of HAWX?

 

[Shock and Awe]

NooOOooOoo. Sorry, but I fail to see why we should. We can tax it and it cuts funding to street gangs? By that logic we should legalize cocaine, and ecstacy. I've seen a lot of people around me get screwed up by this thing. These chemicals do with mess with your brain and I also can't see the reason why people would want to try it.

Do you listen to EVERYTHING that people tell you?

You should do a bit of research about marijuana.

Less adictive than alcohol

Less harmfull than alcohol

More fun than alcohol.


And we are talking about MARIJUANA not about other drugs.

Let me guess. Overprotecive parents?

More addictive than alcohol.
More harmful than alcohol.

Here is REAL work and reaserch from the USA Office of National Drug Control Policy.
Your sooooo wrong dude [http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/marijuana_myths_facts/]
Stop using lies and made up crap, the research done by real scientists proves your a complete and utter liar.
For those who are skimming along this thread trying to make up an opinon.
[HEADING=2]Click Here Before Posting[/HEADING] [http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/marijuana_myths_facts/]

You trust the government?

Thats sad.

You trust idiots who spurt crap instead of real qualified scientists?
Dude.
That is sad.

"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."

"...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races."

"Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death."

"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."

"Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing"

"You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother."

"Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."

-Harry J. Anslinger

Thats the guy that worked on illegalisation of marijuana. And those are his main "facts".

You trust this dickhead too?

Ouh and im a liar now? Can you tell me EXACTLY what would be the point of lying? What would i gain?

Why, Legal weed of course!

 

[zauxz]

Why, Legal weed of course!

Hehe
I really doubt our discussion will have any impact.

 

[4fromK]

We should legalize all drugs.

If we did that, Everyone would be murdering each other or be too lazy to work, Leading to the collapse of society

yeah, but it would be hella fun to watch.

 

[vampirekid.13]

Hippies are always screaming legalize it, should we?

Im not a hippy by any means(Im going into the military) but I think we should, why?

Money thats why, we spend so much trying to get rid of something that does way less damage then tobacco and alcohol, and its something we could tax and put the money to good use, we would also cut a lot of funding to street gangs.

What do the escapists think?

i vote we stop spending trying to get rid of it, and just start imposing the death penalty for anyone using, dealing or carrying any amount of illegal substances on them at any time.

searches w/o motive for said substances are ok.

problem solved.

 

[LooK iTz Jinjo]

Yes do it! It'll be fine as long as everyone remembers that ancient saying: "Beer and grass you're on your arse. Grass and beer, you're in the clear."

 

[zauxz]

"FBI ARE IN MA BRAINZ"
"More cowbell!"
"Ombama is an alien!"
"Millions of bananas!!"
Face it, like it or not he is waaay more qualified than you. Too bad.
Scientist > You.

Ahh yes.

You are starting to say random insults. Hmm you called me stupid... what next? Maybe im gay? or perhaps my mother is soooo fat?

And I expected an interesting disscusion...

 

[HuntrRose]

Legalize for several reasons. The tax'ing economic bit the least one.
The usual argument used against marijuana is that it is a "gateway" drug. More or less true. The marijuana itself does not lead to other drugs, but the contact with criminal elements that also sells other drugs is.

So by moving the marijuana from the "street vendors" to the stores, under the same limitations as alcohol, would give people an alternative to getting shitfaced, would slow down funds to criminal elements and cut down on recruitment to heavier druguse.

And for the record, yes I've used it in the past, and yes I have an education and a job.

More addictive than alcohol.
More harmful than alcohol.

Here is REAL work and reaserch from the USA Office of National Drug Control Policy.
Your sooooo wrong dude [http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/marijuana_myths_facts/]
Stop using lies and made up crap, the research done by real scientists proves your a complete and utter liar.
For those who are skimming along this thread trying to make up an opinon.
[HEADING=2]Click Here Before Posting[/HEADING] [http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/marijuana_myths_facts/]

According to research by the British Government (been a few years since I read it so no direct quotes):
Cannabis, also known as marijuana, ganja, shit, etc. is not physically addictive. It may however, if used excessivly over a long period cause a phsycological dependency in the user.

Cannabis does the same permanent damage to your body as regular smoking, but it also leaves behind TLC in your body. TLC blocks signals between braincells, but this is NOT a permanent thing as it vanishes from the body altogether in about 30-40 days.

Excessive user will build a large amount of TLC wich will cause noticable impairment of cognitive function, but going without for a month or two clears the system of it, leaving the person back at normal.

In comparison, alcohol causes irrepairable damage to the brain and liver if used excessivly over a long period of time. Alcohol is also physicaly addictive.

So, next time you point us to someones research, make sure they are not biased and/or check it against other sources.

Send me a link.
I do trust US research over UK research.

To be honest I don't care where the research is from, but you're pointing to a source that is obviously pushing an agenda, making it biased, and not to be trusted.

I'll try and dig up a link somewhere btw.

edit: Found a link to a less biased site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)#Effects

 

[rowan-thats-me]

That is the only reason they have not legalised it yet. Because it grows anywhere. Can't really tax shit that people can easily make at home.

I think you have proven why it's illegal, not by the effect but the simplisity to grow it everywhere. All smoking companies would lose half (or even more) of their income and country can't apply taxes to it this way.

Although tobacco doesn't grow as freely as pot, it's still possible to do, and you don't see many Big Tobacco companies complaining about the loss of profits. I think you underestimate the laziness of people. Sure, they grow it now, because they have to. When it becomes legal and buying some weed sticks is as easy as driving to the liquor store, they'll stop.

This is vert true, you dont see people fermenting thier own booze do you, but its still possible, its much easier to go down tescos and buy it.

On a side note:imagine what the weed adverts would be like on TV

 

[Bat Vader]

In my opinion I believe we should legalize it. It may help bring us out of the recession quicker.

 

[Zykon TheLich]

Fist off...
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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/18.110712
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/18.109724

...and many others besides.

Secondly, yes.

Actually, you are American aren't you? I don't give a crap what you guys do within your own borders, but for the UK, yes (although I'm stuck between legalisation and decriminalisation).

 

[GrouchyBigfoot]

Well legalizing it would help the economy with taxes and we already waste so much money trying to keep it away from people even though they get it in the end. Also the cost of living for all of the prisoners is so much it would help to get them out of jail and save a lot of money. Even though it hurts people to smoke it I think you should be able to be a dumb ass if you want.

 

[HuntrRose]

Legalize for several reasons. The tax'ing economic bit the least one.
The usual argument used against marijuana is that it is a "gateway" drug. More or less true. The marijuana itself does not lead to other drugs, but the contact with criminal elements that also sells other drugs is.

So by moving the marijuana from the "street vendors" to the stores, under the same limitations as alcohol, would give people an alternative to getting shitfaced, would slow down funds to criminal elements and cut down on recruitment to heavier druguse.

And for the record, yes I've used it in the past, and yes I have an education and a job.

More addictive than alcohol.
More harmful than alcohol.

Here is REAL work and reaserch from the USA Office of National Drug Control Policy.
Your sooooo wrong dude [http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/marijuana_myths_facts/]
Stop using lies and made up crap, the research done by real scientists proves your a complete and utter liar.
For those who are skimming along this thread trying to make up an opinon.
[HEADING=2]Click Here Before Posting[/HEADING] [http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/marijuana_myths_facts/]

According to research by the British Government (been a few years since I read it so no direct quotes):
Cannabis, also known as marijuana, ganja, shit, etc. is not physically addictive. It may however, if used excessivly over a long period cause a phsycological dependency in the user.

Cannabis does the same permanent damage to your body as regular smoking, but it also leaves behind TLC in your body. TLC blocks signals between braincells, but this is NOT a permanent thing as it vanishes from the body altogether in about 30-40 days.

Excessive user will build a large amount of TLC wich will cause noticable impairment of cognitive function, but going without for a month or two clears the system of it, leaving the person back at normal.

In comparison, alcohol causes irrepairable damage to the brain and liver if used excessivly over a long period of time. Alcohol is also physicaly addictive.

So, next time you point us to someones research, make sure they are not biased and/or check it against other sources.

Send me a link.
I do trust US research over UK research.

To be honest I don't care where the research is from, but you're pointing to a source that is obviously pushing an agenda, making it biased, and not to be trusted.

I'll try and dig up a link somewhere btw.

edit: Found a link to a less biased site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)#Effects

I trust wikipedia like a shark.

That might be, but they do have that fancy source list at the bottom, you know the one that says where they got their information.

And you trust the US Governemts Office of National Drug Control Policy for non-biased facts about a substance they want to keep banned, when the US governments list of truths to the public is just a little longer than the list of French military victories.

Seriously, accept the fact that your source is guaranteed biased, and find some others supporting your view.

 

[Spike815]

Legalize it. It's effects are no more harmful than alcohol or tobacco, and every loves those far too much to give them up. Hell, I'd say it's even less harmful. It doesn't make you as aggressive as alcohol and doesn't have to be smoked, saving your lungs.

It's stupid for people to hate and fear marijuana just because it's illegal. Restricting it just as much as tobacco is fine, but outright banning it is just ignorant.

 

[dwightsteel]

Hippies are always screaming legalize it, should we?

Im not a hippy by any means(Im going into the military) but I think we should, why?

Money thats why, we spend so much trying to get rid of something that does way less damage then tobacco and alcohol, and its something we could tax and put the money to good use, we would also cut a lot of funding to street gangs.

What do the escapists think?

Ok, firstly, I'm all for the legalization of marijuana, but lets get some things straight.

First, while most experts agree that marijuana is less harmful then say alcohol, smoking a joint is loaded with enough carcinogens to occupy about 10 cigarettes. Smoke inhalation is absolutely awful for you no matter what you're smoking.

Secondly, the reason it was originally made illegal was because of a smear campaign lead by the paper moguls, namely William Randolph Hearst, who were afraid of the possibility that hemp might take over trees as the primary paper resource, shutting down all his pulp mills.

After more research had been done, the government realized that pot just wasn't as bad as the lobbyists had lead them to believe. But, unlike tobacco, marijuana could be grown and cultivated anywhere and relatively easily. The government just couldn't control it the way they controlled tobacco and even alcohol to a large extent. If they couldn't tax and regulate it, then the feds decided to classify it as a schedule II narcotic and bam, and they got some semblance of control.

Legalizing it could potentially help the efforts to pull us out of the recession though. Marijuana is a multi-billion dollar venture, if the government played their cards right. Put some R&D money into cultivating some new, better strands, and sell it cheap, it could really help out the GDP.

 

[PurpleRain]

"FBI ARE IN MA BRAINZ"
"More cowbell!"
"Ombama is an alien!"
"Millions of bananas!!"
Face it, like it or not he is waaay more qualified than you. Too bad.
Scientist > You.

Ahh yes.

You are starting to say random insults. Hmm you called me stupid... what next? Maybe im gay? or perhaps my mother is soooo fat?

And I expected an interesting disscusion...

Actually, it was quite a good rebutal. You were sort of being a tad aroggent with the quotes. He showed how there are far wing fanatics on each side of the scales.

 

[HuntrRose]

Legalize for several reasons. The tax'ing economic bit the least one.
The usual argument used against marijuana is that it is a "gateway" drug. More or less true. The marijuana itself does not lead to other drugs, but the contact with criminal elements that also sells other drugs is.

So by moving the marijuana from the "street vendors" to the stores, under the same limitations as alcohol, would give people an alternative to getting shitfaced, would slow down funds to criminal elements and cut down on recruitment to heavier druguse.

And for the record, yes I've used it in the past, and yes I have an education and a job.

More addictive than alcohol.
More harmful than alcohol.

Here is REAL work and reaserch from the USA Office of National Drug Control Policy.
Your sooooo wrong dude [http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/marijuana_myths_facts/]
Stop using lies and made up crap, the research done by real scientists proves your a complete and utter liar.
For those who are skimming along this thread trying to make up an opinon.
[HEADING=2]Click Here Before Posting[/HEADING] [http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/marijuana_myths_facts/]

According to research by the British Government (been a few years since I read it so no direct quotes):
Cannabis, also known as marijuana, ganja, shit, etc. is not physically addictive. It may however, if used excessivly over a long period cause a phsycological dependency in the user.

Cannabis does the same permanent damage to your body as regular smoking, but it also leaves behind TLC in your body. TLC blocks signals between braincells, but this is NOT a permanent thing as it vanishes from the body altogether in about 30-40 days.

Excessive user will build a large amount of TLC wich will cause noticable impairment of cognitive function, but going without for a month or two clears the system of it, leaving the person back at normal.

In comparison, alcohol causes irrepairable damage to the brain and liver if used excessivly over a long period of time. Alcohol is also physicaly addictive.

So, next time you point us to someones research, make sure they are not biased and/or check it against other sources.

Send me a link.
I do trust US research over UK research.

To be honest I don't care where the research is from, but you're pointing to a source that is obviously pushing an agenda, making it biased, and not to be trusted.

I'll try and dig up a link somewhere btw.

edit: Found a link to a less biased site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)#Effects

I trust wikipedia like a shark.

That might be, but they do have that fancy source list at the bottom, you know the one that says where they got their information.

And you trust the US Governemts Office of National Drug Control Policy for non-biased facts about a substance they want to keep banned, when the US governments list of truths to the public is just a little longer than the list of French military victories.

Seriously, accept the fact that your source is guaranteed biased, and find some others supporting your view.

Admittedly they would be biased, but they are more trust able than you, show me your work team and scientists.
Where are your scientists?
I trust the US government over you, blaming me for that is really hard.
So yeah, I trust the Government over you.
I'm not the naive one here.

As I'm not putting my own research forward, and never said I did, you asking me to show my research team is just plain silly, and proves that you are an unthinking drone, mindwashed by the US government.

Now, since you are unwilling or unable to do a quick google about the medical effects, let me do it for you to get a few other sources on the table:

http://www.healthcentral.com/stop-smoking/question-answer-27453-63.html
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marijuana/Health_1.html

That's 2 american for you, and one from Europe coming right here:

http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/drug-profiles/cannabis

All of them say basically just what I said.

Now, you think it's about time to read up abit and start thinking for yourself instead of trusting a government that has some serious trust issues to fix?