Poll: should you need a license to be a parent

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zidine100

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Srsly said:
whereas parenting and childbirth is about a life itself and the continuation of a family, forcing someone to destroy a life and deniying them a family is somewhat.... iffy
I'm not saying to deny someone from having their kids, but to educate them before to have them. Suggesting good ways to raise kids rather than forcibly telling people how to raise kids. Some people take better to suggestion rather than a direct command.
so wait, what your suggesting is a test with no repocussions and no licence rather you are suggesting a test with sugestions afterwords on weather they should or should not have the kid and if not how to be a better pairents in the future (while not forcing people to not have children regardless of the results). If this is the case then well i ..... agree with you, in that point.

Mind you i dont agree with half the extreme people on here, but that is a different matter.
 

irishdelinquent

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People have the right to bear life. Life is considered sacred in this country and others by most, and there's a huge debate over trying to stop abortion. So how is it fair that a life should be allowed to be created, but the person not allowed to be a parent?

Besides, in my opinion, kids are too safeguarded these days. Everything has to have non-sharpened corners and be cleaned 4 times a day to prevent a kid from hurting themselves on anything. Now if you want to know the kind of thing that should be stopped, it shouldn't be "neglegent" parents (which I don't think is a fair term), it should be overacheiving parents. Your 3-year-old kid doesn't need to be learning math and spelling at that age so they can get into pre-prep school; they need to be learning to walk and not eat grass clippings. Let the kids be kids.
 

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Driving licence - car can kill a person.
Dog licence - dog can kill a person.
Parenting licence - child can kill a person, but neither they or their parents are held criminally responsible.*


*actually, I think parents shouldn't be liable for their children's crimes, after all they have to go out to work - you are putting them in to an impossible position. Social services are asked to intervene and procrastinate, saying they "don't want to split the family up". Why not?

A parenting licence would be obtained as part of a school curriculum, involving nappy changing, looking after a bag of sugar... being able to cook from raw ingredients (food safety) and you may as well put in filling in tax returns and claiming child benefits. Students could fail this. Any one who didn't have a parenting licence who got pregnant would either have the option of an early abortion or forced adoption if they went through with the pregnancy. Criminal acts by parent or child could lead to the licence being put on probation as Social Services checked out their situation and then, if there were no improvement it would be revoked and they would be split up.

Does little Jimmy want to go to the Orphanage?

Now there is a threat parents can use, which has some bite...
 

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irishdelinquent said:
Besides, in my opinion, kids are too safeguarded these days. Everything has to have non-sharpened corners and be cleaned 4 times a day to prevent a kid from hurting themselves on anything. Now if you want to know the kind of thing that should be stopped, it shouldn't be "neglegent" parents (which I don't think is a fair term), it should be overacheiving parents. Your 3-year-old kid doesn't need to be learning math and spelling at that age so they can get into pre-prep school; they need to be learning to walk and not eat grass clippings. Let the kids be kids.
Wow, I agree with this. It's been proven as well, just look at northern European countries.
 
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As I've been reading through this, I see ALOT of people saying things along the lines of "who are you to tell me I can't have a child?" well we see the reverse of this subject (to and extent) in our society these days with the abortion debate.

So, if I can't make you NOT have a child, can you MAKE me have a child if I and a partner make a mistake, or have bad luck? I think not. IDK just something that crossed my mind...
 

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Mrsnugglesworth said:
Knight Templar said:
Mrsnugglesworth said:
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It would be pointless, what would you do to those that fail? You can hardly steal their baby...
Every 3 years you have to take the test from 18 to Death.


If you fail to take the test, and you have a child you get fined.
What happens when the fine isn't paid?
Is the child then taken away? That would create ever biger issues than poor parenting.
I noticed that. I was hoping no one else would.
i'm not sure why'd you suggest that in the first place if you had already noticed the problem with it.

boholikeu said:
Though I do wonder if it'd be possible to reward good parenting with tax breaks. Say, if your child had less than X unexcused absences (or suspensions), the parents would get a tax break.
this seems like a reasonable idea.
 
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cobra_ky said:
boholikeu said:
Though I do wonder if it'd be possible to reward good parenting with tax breaks. Say, if your child had less than X unexcused absences (or suspensions), the parents would get a tax break.
this seems like a reasonable idea.
Well what happens if the parent is a dead beat that doesn't pay taxes? Then it wouldn't be an incentive to be a good parent, it just give the parents who are already good at what they do a break financally, which would be nice.

I really don't see it solving any problems.
 

Knight Templar

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You know in my nation we once had a very similer idea, that some people are not fit to have kids. There was a system where people who were belived to be unfit had their kids removed.

Who were these unfit people?
Basicly, every single Aboriginal in Australia. Of course they also had other plans, to "breed out" Aboriginal people through each generation. it wall all very offical and legal, if there had been some kind of test then it would be slanted and the lucky few who passed would be forced to take it again. The kids who were taken are called "the stoled generation", they were tramatised by the events. It is one of the worst things in Australian history.

This road leads to a dark and unhappy place, for everybody.
 

cobra_ky

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Baron Von Evil Satan said:
cobra_ky said:
boholikeu said:
Though I do wonder if it'd be possible to reward good parenting with tax breaks. Say, if your child had less than X unexcused absences (or suspensions), the parents would get a tax break.
this seems like a reasonable idea.
Well what happens if the parent is a dead beat that doesn't pay taxes? Then it wouldn't be an incentive to be a good parent, it just give the parents who are already good at what they do a break financally, which would be nice.

I really don't see it solving any problems.
if they're tax delinquents then they're probably not going to be able to support a child financially. in fact, part of what i would test for would be financial security and a credit check. hopefully the financial incentive would encourage prospective parents to study and prepare in advance for their children.
 

Sovvolf

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I made a discussion about this after the whole Baby P incident on another forum and I think you should be licensed to be a parent, I think it would reduce crime rates, reduce the ever growing population and make sure those that aren't fit to breed cannot breed till they prove them selves fit to breed, of course there's a lot of flaws to this but well... I think it's better then what we got now, we have children killing children, children raping children, we have mothers and fathers beating there children to death, I think it should be licensed.
 

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Kuchinawa212 said:
Hmm a good idea, I see when it could be useful. But what about those two hormonally charged teens over there that had sex and now have baby. I mean do you test them then? If they fail to you take it away?

I understand when it would be useful root out all the terrible parents, but there would really no way to repress them from having sex.
(awaits for someone to use a HL reference for how to suppress the creation of babies)
Nah, it'd be again too many people's 'human rights' to breed the planet into oblivion; nevermind the fact that humanity really needs to drop its population, preferably to something like 1 billion or less, if it wants everyone to be well off, have plenty of food, and so forth. That or invent fusion power and have the capability to create space-born habition and/or food supplies...

Anywho, back on topic; yes, I think there are far too many parents who either try to live there lives through the children (see baby/young children 'beauty' and/or talent contests). Or on the other end, just have kids to get the benefit money and yet their kids turn practically feral (see council estates in the UK). Or have children and pretty much brain washer them to be evil little bastards (see both religious cults in America like the Westboro Baptist "Church", and religious fundamentalists around the world, like those child sucuide bombers).
 

Doug

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Kuchinawa212 said:
I mean this is kind my case

What good can come of that
Oh sweet jesus, thats awful. You know those things you see and then wish you hadn't? And why doesn't her mother tell the annoying whiny toned brat that if she gets preggers she'll kick her out? When can that be legally done in the USA?
Kuchinawa212 said:
Sovvolf said:
People like that should not be allowed to breed...
Too late, she's pregnant now XD
OH GOD, NOOOO. Seriously, God, are you even watching? Perfect creator my buttocks.
 

Kuchinawa212

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Doug said:
OH GOD, NOOOO. Seriously, God, are you even watching? Perfect creator my buttocks.

Yeah, but she's really cleaned up her act. I guess there was some hope there after all =D
 

Florion

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Haha. So what, do you need a license to have unprotected sex, or just to give birth to the thing? What criteria would be used to judge who is fit to parent? Would a person who is too poor to consistently afford food and diapers be denied a baby? Would a person who doesn't feel comfortable aborting her baby be denied? (I happen to be pro-choice, but that includes the choice to not abort) I'm kind of ashamed that there are so many "Yes" votes here; it's so clearly wrong to say who can and can't have a child.
 

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Kuchinawa212 said:
Doug said:
OH GOD, NOOOO. Seriously, God, are you even watching? Perfect creator my buttocks.

Yeah, but she's really cleaned up her act. I guess there was some hope there after all =D
Well... its an improvement. But she still got herself preggers. At least the annoying whine has gone from her voice.
 

Doug

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Florion said:
Would a person who is too poor to consistently afford food and diapers be denied a baby?
Well, if they can't afford to support a baby, should they be allowed to keep a baby? Whilst I generally think the poor shouldn't be left to die on the streets like the USA's health system would require, I don't see why the poor should be supported by everyone else went they have more children than their life can afford to keep. Ok, if they suddenly lose their job, its a different story, but thats a detail that would have to be hammered out.

Would a person who doesn't feel comfortable aborting her baby be denied? (I happen to be pro-choice, but that includes the choice to not abort) I'm kind of ashamed that there are so many "Yes" votes here; it's so clearly wrong to say who can and can't have a child.
Who said anything about aborting the baby? For starters, the poll simply states the intended idea, not its implementation. Adoption or some form of temporary birth control could achieve the same effect.