Poll: "Show a little sympathy; all death is tragic !"

[JemothSkarii]

Is Death tragic? It depends on the individual's perception, and who died, I think a number of people in this thread have already summed up what I could say. This could go a bit off topic so I apologise in advance. I believe not every death is tragic, but every death is treated as tragic. My father once told me 'Nobody bad ever dies' and when you think about it, it's true. Go to a funeral, any funeral at all, and nobody will mention the horrible things somebody has done, even if that's all their life consisted of. Amy Winehouse's death? Personally, she brought it on herself by pumping herself full of drugs. The Oslo Massacre? Well, people were involved, and at one stage or another, somebody will just snap and just kill everyone, it's human nature, it's what we do. Could be because he was insane, bored, hungry, whatever, these things WILL happen. Why find the inevitable tragic? The religious believe you are moving on to a better world, while the non-religious could believe you are very well being released from something that torments you. So yes, I believe death isn't tragic, because it's going to happen, even if life is cut short.

 

[TheScientificIssole]

There's a world of difference between sympathy and depression. No one's suggesting that you should be constantly depressed because people are constantly dying. People are just saying that it can be a sad thing and asking that others be understanding of that.

It's less about being affected by the death and more about empathizing with those who were affected by the death. The "I didn't know them, why are you expecting me to express sympathy" thing is bred of a remarkably puerile and self-centered attitude.

And your point applies equally well to all instances of empathy. I'll warrant that there are those in this thread who are okay with eschewing all empathy, but they are not people that I want to know. Empathy is a VERY useful thing for social groups to possess.

Yes, but I mean it in the way that we shouldn't feel sorry for all peoples deaths, an example is a long lived person with no regrets.

 

[Tanis]

No, it isn't.

I don't weep for the chicken or the cow that as 'died for me' so why should I care if someone I have no emotional attachment to dies.

They're dead and I'm glad I'm not and none who I know are not.

 

[TheScientificIssole]

Amy Winehouse is dead, at 27. She didn't take care of herself, and maybe I didn't like (all of) her music, but I certainly won't act happy, celebrate in posts or on the streets, or say "good riddance". It's disgusting how much users today have said similar things after learning of her death, based on the fact that they didn't like her, her music, or whatever it may have been...

Hey, why Winehouse? I have no say one that besides comments there indicate that some believe that all death is tragic. Either way, some people die happy, and it's more beautiful than tragic or not tragic at all.

 

[TheScientificIssole]

I can absolutely see where you're coming from. But I think you're kind of missing the point. It's not a matter of being personally hit, it's a matter of having respect before death itself. Nobody expects you to say ''Oh Amy Winehouse, why her! WHY! WHY! WHY!!!!!'', what they however do expect is that you keep comments regarding the fact that she challenged it to yourself. This is a sentiment that I can also understand. It's the principal idea of ''If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.'', it may seem childish, but some situations call for atleast that much respect.

Honestly, I don't really care that she died, I had no interest in her or her music and if she was talented or not is a discussion in which I would also not take place. What however matters is that she, nonetheless was a human being, she had loved ones and surely quite a few fans that will be hurt by this.

Death is tragic in the sense that a Human life has ended, who's life it was plays a very secondary role, as does what they made of said life. The potential of a human life is enough to make it tragic. We could discuss this for days if not weeks. This however is not the right time to do so, nor the right reason. You are looking for justification, quite frankly, there is no justification for being a dick in the face of death (not saying you are).

*Clears throat*
WHY DO YOU THINK THIS IS ABOUT AMY WINEHOUSE! I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO SHE IS!
Its the comments regarding deaths that indicate all death is tragic. This is more related to Bin Laden and I did this recently because her death kinda made it the right time to do so.

 

[TheScientificIssole]

To say "death doesn't matter!", "Death isn't tragic!" "people die every day, stop being wimps!" is just disrespectful to those who had died and, in my humble opinion, a pretty arrogant and immature outlook on life. To say death doesn't matter is to say that life, and it's whole mystery and wonders, doesn't matter, and if you agree with that (not saying you do), then, well, you're probably a cynical bastard and know it to.

Jesus(The historical figure)!
I didn't say anything horrible! I'm saying that jasngjangjna! (Its going to be in my third edit.)

 

[Jumplion]

To say "death doesn't matter!", "Death isn't tragic!" "people die every day, stop being wimps!" is just disrespectful to those who had died and, in my humble opinion, a pretty arrogant and immature outlook on life. To say death doesn't matter is to say that life, and it's whole mystery and wonders, doesn't matter, and if you agree with that (not saying you do), then, well, you're probably a cynical bastard and know it to.

Jesus(The historical figure)!
I didn't say anything horrible! I'm saying that jasngjangjna! (Its going to be in my third edit.)

I didn't mean for what I said to apply to you (I did say "not saying you do"), so I apologize if you thought I was directing that to you. I was just stating my general opinion, not attacking you or anything. I know you probably aren't what I said.

 

[TheScientificIssole]

I've read this many times on forums. What do you think of it? Do you agree? Disagree?
I have to say, no.
If someone who I don't know dies, why does it have to be tragic to ME? If some celebrities death occurs, why should I have to have be personally affected? The fact is I don't know 99% of the Earth population, and death happens every day. Hundreds of thousands of people die every day. I don't enter into a day by day depression over it. Something being horrible is one person's opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

Reason? Please explain, because sending me to a wiki isn't even trying.

 

[A Free Man]

Hmm I think the misunderstanding comes in when there can be a difference between what you say and what you feel. For example if some random that I had never met before died I probably wouldn't feel anything personally, however I would not then go on a forum and post the fact that I don't care about such a persons death when many people who would read my post might be deeply affected by it. Do you see what I mean? Not everything in the world is about you. Perhaps just show a little respect.

Well, the thing is I'm saying that if I'M not grieving, it isn't tragic, for my world has not changed.

Perhaps it isn't tragic to you, but that doesn't mean it isn't tragic. Are you so self centered as to assume things that don't affect you have no meaning? I don't mean to be so offensive but you are just coming off as really selfish and hopefully it is just me misunderstanding your intention but if what I am perceiving is the truth then I would pity such ignorance. Still, that being said my point still stands, even if you don't care even a tiny bit you could still show a bit of respect. As the people who do care my not be so happy with you publicly parading the lack of sympathy or empathy.

 

[ckam]

I personally believe in not saying the dead deserve to die. I mean, I don't show sympathy but I won't go out of my way to mark people and say that they should get offed. If I did that, I would consider myself as terrible as Glenn Beck or Shintaro Ishihara.

 

[Jedoro]

If all deaths were tragic, we wouldn't get anything done because we'd be too busy crying our eyes out 24/7.

 

[BaronUberstein]

It's an absurd statement to say all death is tragic. I personally cheered when I learned of Bin Ladin's death.

If I feel somebody didn't do good in their life, I see no reason to mourn. I see no reason not to celebrate is a criminal is killed. Is it not a celebration of life to cheer the death of a murderer?

Unless you mean at least one person thinks it's tragic, then yes, because there will be at least one bleeding heart out there who will cry over any death, even if it's a mass murderer.

 

[Pietho]

DEATH is inevitable, only those who have not accepted that fact find tragedy in it.

No, you are wrong.

Not about death being inevitable, about those who have not accepted it finding it a tragedy.

Death is a tragedy because it is loss. It is something going away, a lessening of the world. It is SAD.

When someone dies, we are lessened by it.

Is it a natural part of life? Yes. Is it the inevitable end? Of course. But that's just it - it's and END. And endings are sad. Sometimes they are beautiful sad, but they're still sad.

Life ends in death, period. Why must we still find tragedy in the inevitable? It's like crying at Bambi, or mourning the loss of some princess who dies in a car crash, it's stupid and pointless.

And you sound like a sociopath saying that. Well done. Really - comparing a movie character's fictional death to Princess Diana, who affected MANY people with her charity and other political efforts, is absolutely insane.

Being inevitable does NOT make it less tragic. In fact, being inevitable makes death MORE tragic.

1) I am a high functioning sociopath.

2) Princess Diana's death was a death... it was all the people who made something out of it that turned it into an event. People are cannables, eating up the over hyped emotions generated by another's death so they can stop feeling hollow inside.

3) Charity work does't make you special. By that logic the work I do for Change.org, the volunteer work I do at my son's school and helping out my neighbors must make me a saint.

4) The public Princess Diana was a false as Bambi... Bambi was just easier to identify as such.

5) If most people find tragedy in something that is going to happen to everyone without deviation then it's no wonder crappy games, crappy music and crappy movies are made in record numbers; because no one can accept the truth.

 

[Pietho]

if you say osama didn't deserve to die, be lucky you're not next to me, I would deck you out, the say two words to you, "Nine Eleven"

It's 9-11; it's a date, not a fast food chain or a convenience store.

 

[Galaxy Roll]

I don't think my death will be tragic, so I'm pretty sure that entitles me to care about the tragedy or lack-thereof of the deaths of other people to a degree.

 

[Spinozaad]

Both.

It's tragic, because it's the cessation of life. The end of all that you were, and ever had.

On the other hand. Some guy dying on the toilet of a heart attack as he strained to drop a number 2 is hilarious.

On a more serious note. It's tragic because it's so permanent. But in the scheme of things... Well... Everybody dies. Normal things are not tragic.