Baron von Blitztank said:
But that was only because someone makes a massive mistake...and you are murdering people lol
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But that was only because someone makes a massive mistake...and you are murdering people lol
You mean the original conquering, centuries ago? Or putting down the recent rebellion?Elcarsh said:
For the first, that is just the way civilisations have worked for as long as they have existed. No, it was not a good thing but it is so long in the past that that ship has sailed and fighting it is pointless. Every civilisation that exists today has conquered other civilisations. America is a prime example. Should native Americans rebel and execute the current administration because their land was taken from them hundreds of years ago?
If you are talking about the rebellion, then yes putting down rebellions is self defence, particularly when the people rebelling worship Hagravens.
But that is the problem, we only see Ulfrics troops doing and saying racist things. Ulfric himself treats the PC the same no matter his/her race.Blargh McBlargh said:
Ulfric doesn't do anything to help other races, but he doesn't do anything to harm them either.
And you didn't call anyone batshit insane, you called him Hitler, which doesn't make any kind of sense.
I'm going with my Evil Kahjiit on this one:
"Why did Kazak join the Stormcloaks? Well for starters, Kazak hates those gods forsaken skirts the imperials wear. It only gets better, for when the empire is weakened, and the Thalmor are weakened, I can take over the entire continent in command of Skyrim's armies."
The way I see it is that besides shitty uniforms, the Imperials are wasting resources attempting to keep skyrim under their control, Skyrim would fight with them, not for them. Thats what they don't see. Besides, the real target are the Thalmor.
But in reality, I went Neutral, on my Argonian fighter mage.
"Why did Kazak join the Stormcloaks? Well for starters, Kazak hates those gods forsaken skirts the imperials wear. It only gets better, for when the empire is weakened, and the Thalmor are weakened, I can take over the entire continent in command of Skyrim's armies."
The way I see it is that besides shitty uniforms, the Imperials are wasting resources attempting to keep skyrim under their control, Skyrim would fight with them, not for them. Thats what they don't see. Besides, the real target are the Thalmor.
But in reality, I went Neutral, on my Argonian fighter mage.
That quote combined with the sexualized my little pony avatar made me laugh.usmarine4160 said:
OT: Neither. I hate both, but I may side with one once I've finished all the the non political factions. I was going to side with the stormcloaks because the way it was spun I assumed they were being taken over by the imperials but my friend says that the imperials were the presiding government until Ulfric killed the high king and started a rebellion to kick everyone else out of skyrim and if that's the case, hes much less justified for being a dick. Also is anyone else aggravated that you can't take any action to fuck up the thalmor? I'm hoping that will be a DLC campaign.
I have, what does he say to make him comparable to someone widely regarded as one of the greatest monsters of human history?Blargh McBlargh said:Finish the Stormcloak quest-line, he'll say a couple of things that'll make my Hitler analogy quite appropriate.AntiChri5 said:
I'd consider anyone who wants to genocide a group of people "batshit insane", but that's just me.
Well, in that same vein of logic, why should the Nords be allowed to revolt? Isn't what the Empire doing (putting down Ulfric's rebellion) self-defense then?AntiChri5 said:
As for your Native American example, isn't what Stormcloaks doing just the same? Native Americans would at least be more justified, as Europeans wiped-out thousands of tribes, whereas the Nords of Skyrim joined the Empire willingly, and have been treated much better than the Native Americans were by Europeans.
I went with the Imperials because Hadvar is just such a nice guy. He offered to send your remains back to your homeland, he sets you free (if you go with him), tried to reason with the Stormcloaks, and is even against torture.
Though if you think about it the Stormcloak cause is misguided. I mean, why are they fighting the Empire over Talos worship? Talos is Tiber Septim, the founder of the Empire, it seems like the most apt way to honor him is to make sure his Empire doesn't crumble, not help destroy it.
And also honestly Ulfric makes a better final boss than General Tullius does. Thu'um vs. thu'um, how epic is that.
Though if you think about it the Stormcloak cause is misguided. I mean, why are they fighting the Empire over Talos worship? Talos is Tiber Septim, the founder of the Empire, it seems like the most apt way to honor him is to make sure his Empire doesn't crumble, not help destroy it.
And also honestly Ulfric makes a better final boss than General Tullius does. Thu'um vs. thu'um, how epic is that.
The Nords should be allowed to revolt because of the current rights being taken away from them and their exploitation at the hands of a dying Empire trying to squeeze as much as it can from it's few remaining provinces.Sheppard said:
If the recent rebellion in Markarth had happened because a new law gave certain people the legal right to abduct and torture then execute whoever they choose without evidence or trial then i would support it. But there isn't any evidence to suggest that.
The Nords of Skyrim didn't join the Empire, they built it. Anyway, that is irrelevant, my point in the example you mention is the time that has passed. If hundreds of years had passed after the White Gold Concordat and the Nords were not being mistreated and then they rebelled then it would be the same.
As it is, the Thalmor are making a deliberate attempt to destroy Nord culture (and are using the Empire to do so). It is only natural the Nords resist.
After reading some of the lore I thought the imperials are a sinking ship that have abandoned Hammerfell, are currently strip mining Skyrim of resources to bring them back to Cyrodil. I just wonder would the imperials then abandon Skyrim. The fact the imperials allow Thalmor spies in their lands and actively help them kidnap citizens. Many, many other reasons but I believe that the empire that we grew up with and loved died with Martin at the end of the oblivion crisis and now the emperor is just 1 of those high and mighty nobles who backstabbed and bought his was to the throne.
Finally I was roleplaying a Breton from Highrock that was a spy to see what was happening in Skyrim with the Imperials and whether Highrock should be worried if the empire was setting a precedent of weakening and abandoning their territories, meaning that the Bretons should say screw the imperials and ally with Hammerfell and Skyrim to fight off the Thalmor.
Also as an aside though the Stormcloaks are rascist they are no where near as bad as people try to make them out to be. The Thalmor are a lot, lot worse. there's even an elf in Windhelm who says she had a hard time at first but was eventually accepted because she proved useful, I can't remember her name but it began with an N. I also have little respect for the dunmer because of their attitude of we want to live here but we won't fight for either side sort it out yourselves. They'd get more respect from the nords if they chose a side, even if they sided with the imperials rather than sitting on the fence with the stormcloaks wondering if they'll get a dagger in the back.
Finally I was roleplaying a Breton from Highrock that was a spy to see what was happening in Skyrim with the Imperials and whether Highrock should be worried if the empire was setting a precedent of weakening and abandoning their territories, meaning that the Bretons should say screw the imperials and ally with Hammerfell and Skyrim to fight off the Thalmor.
Also as an aside though the Stormcloaks are rascist they are no where near as bad as people try to make them out to be. The Thalmor are a lot, lot worse. there's even an elf in Windhelm who says she had a hard time at first but was eventually accepted because she proved useful, I can't remember her name but it began with an N. I also have little respect for the dunmer because of their attitude of we want to live here but we won't fight for either side sort it out yourselves. They'd get more respect from the nords if they chose a side, even if they sided with the imperials rather than sitting on the fence with the stormcloaks wondering if they'll get a dagger in the back.
Not to mention that an Argonian or Elf winning them the war and being declared a member of Ulfric's family might do a little something to change the racism.
How long ago was it that America had segregation between white and black people? And now it has a black president.
I sided with the Imperials because of...well, Strategy.
Similar to what others have already said; The Empire needs Skyrim as much as Skyrim needs the Empire becuase dividing either nations instead of uniting them will make further Thalmor occupation on Skyrim and Cyrodile more successful.
Similar to what others have already said; The Empire needs Skyrim as much as Skyrim needs the Empire becuase dividing either nations instead of uniting them will make further Thalmor occupation on Skyrim and Cyrodile more successful.
I sided originally with the Stormcloaks because the "trial" at the beginning of the game was a disgusting grasp at repression from a decadent and decaying government which had failed to adapt to the needs of Skyrim.
In short, it was not justice.
But upon getting closer to the Stormcloaks and the natives of Skyrim as whole I found the racist elements nigh on intolerable and a friend of mine who chose to play as a Wood Elf had to sit through some very confusing dialogue and quest chains. I was lucky enough to have chosen Breton and avoided all the awkward conversations.
Ultimately I just did as I pleased. The only moral choice was to better the lives of the people any way I could and heavily encourage the Empire to come to it's senses, the Nords clearly incapable of self governance and the Empire acting like a bunch of tanned goons.
In short, it was not justice.
But upon getting closer to the Stormcloaks and the natives of Skyrim as whole I found the racist elements nigh on intolerable and a friend of mine who chose to play as a Wood Elf had to sit through some very confusing dialogue and quest chains. I was lucky enough to have chosen Breton and avoided all the awkward conversations.
Ultimately I just did as I pleased. The only moral choice was to better the lives of the people any way I could and heavily encourage the Empire to come to it's senses, the Nords clearly incapable of self governance and the Empire acting like a bunch of tanned goons.
