Poll: So... Diablo 3 or Torchlight 2?

[Elamdri]

At least Diablo has a soul, unlike Torchlight, which is some sort of hollowman-esque shadow of a dungeon crawler.

At least X has a *vague quality designed to invoke meaningless positive connotation*, unlike Y, which is some sort of *equally vague and tangentially correlatory negative term* of Z genre.

That's some sort of argument you have there (I apologise for getting caught up in my own use of language, but this post annoyed me for having zero actual discussion value, so therefore I'm allowed to be a smartarse)

Let me put it to you this way. Torchlight is boring. I have no clue what is going on in the world. The characters do not draw my attention. Christ, I quit playing when I was on like level 16 and I still don't know the name of the main protagonist chick. I don't know who the villain is, what his problem is, or why I should really care.

Meanwhile, in Diablo I've just finished my Trial run and I know who the main characters are, I have a friend who follows me around and who talks to my character from time to time during the dungeon crawl, which makes it feel more engaging. I know the names of a lot of the characters in town, Deckard Cain, Leah, Eamon, my hireling Kormac. I know that a meteor has hit the church in old Tristram and it has awoken the Skeleton King Leoric who was once a good king before being corrupted by Diablo. I know that the meteor is one of the signs of the end of days and we need to learn more if we are to defeat Diablo.

I mean, that's it really. Torchlight lacks that je ne sais quoi that Diablo has. That's why eventually I'll pick up Diablo 3 and not Torchlight 2.

 

[Cavan]

Let me put it to you this way. Torchlight is boring. I have no clue what is going on in the world. The characters do not draw my attention. Christ, I quit playing when I was on like level 16 and I still don't know the name of the main protagonist chick. I don't know who the villain is, what his problem is, or why I should really care.

Meanwhile, in Diablo I've just finished my Trial run and I know who the main characters are, I have a friend who follows me around and who talks to my character from time to time during the dungeon crawl, which makes it feel more engaging. I know the names of a lot of the characters in town, Deckard Cain, Leah, Eamon, my hireling Kormac. I know that a meteor has hit the church in old Tristram and it has awoken the Skeleton King Leoric who was once a good king before being corrupted by Diablo. I know that the meteor is one of the signs of the end of days and we need to learn more if we are to defeat Diablo.

I mean, that's it really. Torchlight lacks that je ne sais quoi that Diablo has. That's why eventually I'll pick up Diablo 3 and not Torchlight 2.

Again:
'I do not know the story' is not an argument.
"The characters do not draw my attention" (without giving a reason), is not an argument.
"I know who the main characters are" is not in any way an argument.
"It lacks that je ne sais quoi" is far and away not even a valid point.

The ONLY, and I do mean only point you make is that you find having a companion who talks to you more engaging than a pet, fair enough that that is your preference. The rest may as well have not been said.

You haven't said 'why' you prefer Diablo 3 in any coherent sense, and that's okay, you are allowed to like things without reason or be unable to put those reasons into words. However, when you come and act like what you say is meaningful without backing it up you just look silly.

 

[KefkaCultist]

Well I'd first like to point out my bias: I never played Torchlight and I'm a pretty big fan of Diablo.

Now with that out of the way, I say Diablo 3 because I'm having way too much fun with it. Already have about 12 hours on it lol.

 

[Elamdri]

Let me put it to you this way. Torchlight is boring. I have no clue what is going on in the world. The characters do not draw my attention. Christ, I quit playing when I was on like level 16 and I still don't know the name of the main protagonist chick. I don't know who the villain is, what his problem is, or why I should really care.

Meanwhile, in Diablo I've just finished my Trial run and I know who the main characters are, I have a friend who follows me around and who talks to my character from time to time during the dungeon crawl, which makes it feel more engaging. I know the names of a lot of the characters in town, Deckard Cain, Leah, Eamon, my hireling Kormac. I know that a meteor has hit the church in old Tristram and it has awoken the Skeleton King Leoric who was once a good king before being corrupted by Diablo. I know that the meteor is one of the signs of the end of days and we need to learn more if we are to defeat Diablo.

I mean, that's it really. Torchlight lacks that je ne sais quoi that Diablo has. That's why eventually I'll pick up Diablo 3 and not Torchlight 2.

Again:
'I do not know the story' is not an argument.
"The characters do not draw my attention" (without giving a reason), is not an argument.
"I know who the main characters are" is not in any way an argument.
"It lacks that je ne sais quoi" is far and away not even a valid point.

The ONLY, and I do mean only point you make is that you find having a companion who talks to you more engaging than a pet, fair enough that that is your preference. The rest may as well have not been said.

You haven't said 'why' you prefer Diablo 3 in any coherent sense, and that's okay, you are allowed to like things without reason or be unable to put those reasons into words. However, when you come and act like what you say is meaningful without backing it up you just look silly.

I just said that it lacks je ne sais quoi. That literally means that I can't put my finger on what it is, but it's missing something.

 

[ProtonGuy]

Get Torchlight it will actually, you know, work. By the time they get Diablo III stable you'll have gotten a few solid play throughs done with Torchlight.

 

[hino77]

As i already baught Diablo 3 and am playing it right now(it`s minimized),i have to go with answer number 1.The first Torchlight bored me to tears, but i will check the sequel eventualy,hope they made it more fun.Ok, going back to Diablo,hellspawn dont kill them selves you know!

 

[viranimus]

Id say wait for torchlight 2. You get all the gameplay of D3 and more, Plus the added advantage of not setting a bad precedent for the industry and allowing Blizzard to make an unjustified money printing machine. PLUS your helping a much smaller company who would appreciate it more. So... If you like games, you wont buy diablo 3 . Just my opinion, but lets see what happens.

 

[Axyun]

In Diablo 2, there were:

2 types of Amazon (Bow, Jav)
2 types of Assassin (Martial Arts, Trap)
4 types of Paladin (Smite, Zeal, Might/Zeal, Hammer)
3 types of Sorc (Fire, Ice, Lighting, and a dozen sub-types, depending which spells you like)
3 types of Necro (Bone, Summon, Poison)
3 types of Barbarian (Whirlwind, Berserk, Frenzy)
3 types of Druid (Fire, Wind, Transform)

And lesser types for those who like to mix and match.

In D3, there is ONE AND EXACTLY ONE, build for every character. Sure you can change the animation for a certain attack, but in the end, the skill tree is set to be completely linear and idiot-proof. Which speaks to me as "we're tired of new players complaining about being confused, let's dumb it down as far as we can legally get away with".

Quit spreading misinformation. D3 just came out and people are still experimenting with builds. The go-to builds for each class have not been discovered yet.

Second, unlike D2 where most skills were skipped (only 1 point invested in them) and all skill points ere dumped into 2-4 skills at most, D3 forces all skills to be equally valuable which theoretically opens up more builds. Whether that is true or not has yet to be seen since everyone is still a D3 noob.

Finally, while skills are unlocked in sequence as you level, once you hit 60 and unlock everything, you are free to arrange your skills and runes in any order you please. And you have even more flexibility by turning Elective Mode on.

Torchlight 2 will never reach the level of build customization D3 enables if they stick to traditional dependency-based skill trees.

 

[kingthrall]

Sacred 2 Is better than the lot of these

 

[VladG]

Well lets look at it like this.

Diablo 3: Will encourage theft of items which in turn will be used to be a real-money item shop which will be overpriced. Shitty DRM and overall being just plain old Diablo.

There's no theft in Diablo 3. You can't steal your dead teammates dropped items and the loot is individual.

Well then your going to tell me that the WoW last-hit loot drops still aren't in the game right? I doubt it, if someone is good enough they can easily get the last hit and therefore getting the items the other team mate should have.

Facepalm. How about you look into the game systems and then you start talking.

There is not last hitting. (there is no last hitting for loot in WoW either, don't even know where you got that from, in WoW you tap the monster by being the FIRST to hit it). In D3 everyone gets their own individual loot. Nobody can see or touch your loot. Doesn't matter who killed what. If a monster dies in a game you're in, you get your own individual loot drop from it.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Presumably a big fan of the genre could play and enjoy both. Installing one does not delete the other from your hard drive.

I'm one of the minority that found Torchlight profoundly underwhelming. I couldn't even tell you why, but it felt very perfunctory and dull in a way Diablo's I and II did not. Perhaps the 2nd one will be a huge improvement. The first one WAS a budget title, after all.

 

[Yeager942]

I'm buying both. :B

 

[Matt Dellar]

Torchlight 2. Granted, my sadistic violent side wanted to see the boss fight fatalities, but that's what Youtube is for. Coincidentally, that's the only video streaming site that works on the connection that's preventing me from buying Diablo 3.

 

[Aprilgold]

Well lets look at it like this.

Diablo 3: Will encourage theft of items which in turn will be used to be a real-money item shop which will be overpriced. Shitty DRM and overall being just plain old Diablo.

There's no theft in Diablo 3. You can't steal your dead teammates dropped items and the loot is individual.

Well then your going to tell me that the WoW last-hit loot drops still aren't in the game right? I doubt it, if someone is good enough they can easily get the last hit and therefore getting the items the other team mate should have.

Facepalm.

So you have nothing useful to say because my whole point is that if another player gets the last-hit on a boss will they keep the loot? Honestly, your whole post feels like just random jabber that I honestly don't care for.

Remember kids, first impressions everywhere matter, because now I think everything you just said is useless.

 

[LiftYourSkinnyFists]

As for me, I am completely satisfied with what Blizzard have cooked up I use wireless internet and have no issues they said they were not going for the single player aspect with Diablo III this was said years months before.

It is not a single player game, you have the option to play alone (God knows why you would want to) it is focused around working in a party of two or more people.

So be it if you don't have the internet you can't read this probably don't care about Diablo III unless you only played it via LAN with your close friends (again, if that was your choice I do not know why/if/how you're reading this and still not content with the current state of the game)

I've been a Blizzard fan since 2004 and then on they've only ever faulted for me on two real points and that's they're too damn popular and servers can't handle their beef and secondly release times.

Diablo III is perfectly fine as is I don't see your quarrels as anything but minor quibbles, back to the topic at hand

Simply, I will buy them both as a few of my favoured Blizzard staff who worked on Diablo II are part of the Torchlight series (Specifically Matt Uelman).

I can afford to buy both, I will buy both I do not see them as competitors.

£40, £50, £60, Diablo would be worth every penny, cent, peso, canadian monopoly coin etc, as I am sure Torchlight is too.

 

[WoW Killer]

So you have nothing useful to say because my whole point is that if another player gets the last-hit on a boss will they keep the loot? Honestly, your whole post feels like just random jabber that I honestly don't care for.

Remember kids, first impressions everywhere matter, because now I think everything you just said is useless.

Let me put this as simply as I can. Player X hits mob until nearly dead, Player Y then ninjas the last blow: Player X and Player Y both receive loot. Alternatively, Player X gets the first blow, then Player Y finishes the mob off without further help: Player X and Player Y both receive loot. Player X kills mob by himself while Player Y does nothing: Player X and Player Y both receive loot. Player Y kills mob by himself while Player X does nothing: Player X and Player Y both receive loot.

All loot is instanced to each player. What appears for Player X does not appear for Player Y, and vice versa. Whoever kills a mob, whoever got the first, last or 37th hit in, makes no difference. All players in the game get their own loot that drops. There is no loot stealing.

 

[Aprilgold]

I, once again, don't care.

I was already told all of what you said earlier, you don't have to try again.

And I'm still sticking by anything you say is now worthless because your first instinct was to facepalm because someone was incorrect, not even largely, but just incorrect.