Poll: So... Diablo 3 or Torchlight 2?

[Naqel]

Torchlight 2

It wins with it's lower price and not being related in any way to Activision.

 

[ramboondiea]

torchlight two for me thanks, just pre-ordered it, and going through the original now, just looks the better of the two plus with the mandatory online thing just puts me off.

on a side note i am very happy to be the vote that shifted it from 50/50, thats me Ramboondiea the decider hhahaa

 

[ecoho]

torchlight 2 why? 4 words real money auction house. pay to win = me no play

 

[WoW Killer]

Can I ask you a question? How well does the game scale to multiple players? I'm planning on co-oping this with my girlfriend, but she was out last night so I messed around in solo and found it almost painfully easy. I'm sure it'll still be fun enough even then but I'm really hoping it kicks it up a notch as more people join.

I don't honestly know. I've only played one co-op game which was with my brother during beta. I didn't notice any scaling particularly, though I presume it's in there (they had it in D2 so it stands to reason). But then the beta was notoriously easy; it'll get a lot harder later and presumably any scaling would get more noticeable too. I'm still on trial mode till my copy arrives (hopefully soon-tm), so I'll get a better look in a few days. What I played of co-op it was a case of the faster class killing everything and the other class swinging at thin air looking not so pleased with themselves. A class like the Witch Doctor has a lot of fire power once they've ramped up, but with an auto-attack like the spider jar thing you have a short delay before you do any damage. Compare this to a Monk using the teleport Fist of Thunder thing and you have one bored Witch Doctor so long as the content remains easy. That was basically the only experience I had with multiplayer. It'll end up much better than that I'm sure, but that's all I know for now.

 

[matrix3509]

People need to stop saying, "Oh now we won't have hackers." Who gives a flying fuck-rat about hackers when the auction house is the most blatent bit of Pay2Win fuckery that has ever been attempted? Not even Zynga have the balls to do something like this.

 

[Agayek]

Torchlight 2. I can't support always-on DRM in single player games.

And before the thread is flooded with people asking where's the "both" option in the poll, this is obviously a topic for people who will only choose one of these two games.

captcha: road apples

I've been getting the weirdest captchas lately.

Pretty much this.

I'm a textbook example of poor impulse control though, and I ended up buying Diablo 3 when the friends I game with were raving about it. My answer's both, but my recommendation if you're going to choose one is definitely Torchlight 2.

 

[3asytarg3t]

The premise of this thread is a fallacy known as a false dilemma.

 

[Snowblindblitz]

torchlight 2 why? 4 words real money auction house. pay to win = me no play

Make sure you don't trade or use the regular auction house, because, by your definition they are pay to win. Pay to win implies the items are spawned into the game, which they are not in this situation. Players are just charging an alternative currency for the items they spend the hours grinding.

I don't mind you not liking it, but I hate how people mistake it for pay to win.

 

[blaqknoise]

Diablo 3

My friends are all playing Diablo 3, so I would choose it over Torchlight 2 so I could play with them.

 

[Vigormortis]

People need to stop saying, "Oh now we won't have hackers." Who gives a flying fuck-rat about hackers when the auction house is the most blatent bit of Pay2Win fuckery that has ever been attempted? Not even Zynga have the balls to do something like this.

Actually, the better question is, WHY should anyone give a flying fuck-rat about hackers?

The game has no PvP component. It's ONLY co-op.

Ergo, it's a bit idiotic for anyone to be worried about hackers or to proclaim the game is pay-to-win.

Keeping this in mind, I once again pose the question I've asked several times before: Why did Blizzard implement Always-On DRM?

Answer: So they can tell you all when, where, and HOW to play your game. And, to control every aspect of the game in an attempt to milk every single last penny they can from you. (through the Auction House)

Anyone who thinks there are ANY OTHER REASONS beyond those is deluding themselves.

 

[JEBWrench]

What if your power goes out?

While this is not explicitly true, there are quite a lot of people who'd have trouble playing any PC game if the power went out, comrade dingo.

Give me one valid reason to have queuing in singleplayer and I will buy a physical copy of D3 and eat it.

Well, it builds anticipation of course, for the experience you're about to receive. It helps put you in the mindset of those fortunate enough to be able to play the game they bought.

 

[Substitute Troll]

I don't see why I can't have both. I'm loving D3, but I've played the beta of TL2 and loved that equally.

 

[Substitute Troll]

People need to stop saying, "Oh now we won't have hackers." Who gives a flying fuck-rat about hackers when the auction house is the most blatent bit of Pay2Win fuckery that has ever been attempted? Not even Zynga have the balls to do something like this.

Actually, the better question is, WHY should anyone give a flying fuck-rat about hackers?

The game has no PvP component. It's ONLY co-op.

Ergo, it's a bit idiotic for anyone to be worried about hackers or to proclaim the game is pay-to-win.

Keeping this in mind, I once again pose the question I've asked several times before: Why did Blizzard implement Always-On DRM?

Answer: So they can tell you all when, where, and HOW to play your game. And, to control every aspect of the game in an attempt to milk every single last penny they can from you. (through the Auction House)

Anyone who thinks there are ANY OTHER REASONS beyond those is deluding themselves.

You're wrong. Please, do your fucking research before you start spouting ignorance. The game will feature a PvP component, but it will be added in an (free) update post-launch.

 

[katsumoto03]

I refuse to play Diablo 3 because of all the always online bullshit. Plus, I really enjoyed Torchlight.

 

[projectpinkx]

I think I'm going with Torchlight 2. I've never been impressed with Blizzard stuff and TL2 seems to be exactly like D3 only for a fraction of the price and faster, smoother gameplay.

 

[Vigormortis]

People need to stop saying, "Oh now we won't have hackers." Who gives a flying fuck-rat about hackers when the auction house is the most blatent bit of Pay2Win fuckery that has ever been attempted? Not even Zynga have the balls to do something like this.

Actually, the better question is, WHY should anyone give a flying fuck-rat about hackers?

The game has no PvP component. It's ONLY co-op.

Ergo, it's a bit idiotic for anyone to be worried about hackers or to proclaim the game is pay-to-win.

Keeping this in mind, I once again pose the question I've asked several times before: Why did Blizzard implement Always-On DRM?

Answer: So they can tell you all when, where, and HOW to play your game. And, to control every aspect of the game in an attempt to milk every single last penny they can from you. (through the Auction House)

Anyone who thinks there are ANY OTHER REASONS beyond those is deluding themselves.

You're wrong. Please, do your fucking research before you start spouting ignorance. The game will feature a PvP component, but it will be added in an (free) update post-launch.

I know it's "planned", but my point was the game shipped WITHOUT IT.

Ergo, I reiterate my question: Why did the game need to be Always-Online, even when you play solo? Given that hacking isn't really a big issue and they could have quite easily separated offline solo characters and online co-op characters.

When you can legitimately answer that in a way that doesn't just reinforce my claims, I'll concede my grievances. Until then, I still call bullshit on Blizzard. (and blind fan-boy-ism on people who defend it)

Also, maybe try NOT assuming things about people and insulting them based on those assumptions. It just makes you look foolish. (and doesn't sit well with the mods. at least, it shouldn't)

 

[OldNewNewOld]

I think I would like Diablo 3 more than Torchlight 2 (haven't played neither).
But I can't give my money to support an always online DRM for a single player game. I don't care about the multiplayer nor do I care about the AH. And if in some distant future I wanted to play multiplayer, I would start a new, online character.

I vote for Torchlight 2 even tho I won't be buying it soon. Short of money even for those 15 euro of preorder. My graphic card died, may she rest in peace. I have to find a buy a new one and everything is so expensive in my country. I hate it.

I have no doubt that Diablo 3 is an excellent game and would give me lots of fun. But nothing can be good enough to justify preventing me from playing my game when and where I want.

EDIT:
I just looked it up, it's 18.99 euro when pre-ordered and will most likely be 19.99 when it comes out.
Ya know what, steam, go fuck your self. OK? Just go fuck your self.
I'm paying 30% just because I'm not from the USA? Really? Fucking digital distribution. Fuck yeah.

 

[Rooster Cogburn]

torchlight 2 why? 4 words real money auction house. pay to win = me no play

Make sure you don't trade or use the regular auction house, because, by your definition they are pay to win. Pay to win implies the items are spawned into the game, which they are not in this situation. Players are just charging an alternative currency for the items they spend the hours grinding.

I don't mind you not liking it, but I hate how people mistake it for pay to win.

The 'alternative currency' is money. It is pay-to-win in every way that matters to people who don't like pay-to-win.

 

[ecoho]

torchlight 2 why? 4 words real money auction house. pay to win = me no play

Make sure you don't trade or use the regular auction house, because, by your definition they are pay to win. Pay to win implies the items are spawned into the game, which they are not in this situation. Players are just charging an alternative currency for the items they spend the hours grinding.

I don't mind you not liking it, but I hate how people mistake it for pay to win.

no pay to win is when you use real money to buy an advantage. Using an ingame AH or tradeing requires you to play the game, earn currincy ,and get items they can trade. Now please dont post till youve done more research and know what your talking about.