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EstrogenicMuscle

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Bentusi16 said:
But the whole point of the whole 'consent' thing is that the women want to be dominated by a male.
Wait, what? No. That's ridiculous.

Some women want to be "dominated" or rather, taken initiative upon in bed. But that doesn't constitute all women. And this blog makes the poignant observation that, while much of our sexuality we do not choose, much of our sexuality may be dictated by society.

And society is dictating that the sexual norm should be that men are sexually aggressive and women are sexually submissive. That isn't healthy. That is a male supremacist, patriarchal value.

A value that should be taken a second look at. It doesn't mean that "sub" feelings in women and "dom" feelings in men are always bad. But the standard is bad and we should take a second look at why many of us have these feelings.
 

EstrogenicMuscle

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Bentusi16 said:
I can foresee the argument that they can only want this due to the brainwashing by a male-dominated society, which I feel is rather the larger point; that women only allow themselves to be dominated because they're brainwashed into believing they want that, at least according to the blog.
Why do people always use this "brainwashing" buzzword retort whenever someone implies that many people like something because of society? Particularly when they imply something is caused by society when they don't believe it is causes by society.

It severely underestimates the power of culture and I'm tired of seeing it. In fact I wish I said this sooner because I'm seeing this "brainwashing" word trash thrown around everywhere.

Our personal experiences, much of which are cultural in origin, determine much of all of our values and feelings about things. That's not "brainwashing", that's the reality of our species. Other animals don't have culture. And our culture is a large part of what makes us the human being that we are, whether we accept or deviate from our cultural values. In which case here, feminists are being deviants and rebels based upon personal morals they find in conflict with the majority.

Yes, culture influences us. It influences what toys we want to play with as children, it influences what food we want to eat, it influences what political parties we support, it influences what we want to look like, and it even influences who we want to date and how we want to date them.

That is the reality. Culture is powerful. And sometimes, we need to take a look at things about it which could be better.

If most women, do indeed to be "dominated" or at least initiated upon, the question is, is why. There is always a why and a skeptical mind is always curious. Many evolutionary psychologists believe that is it neurological. And feminists tend to combat this belief with the only actual logical alternative, that it is cultural.

Because sadly much of evolutionary psychological claims, are neurosexist claims that male supremacy is biological, neurological. And allows people to erroneously believe the unequal status quo biological fact and deviating from that is a waste of time.

Norms have to come from somewhere. They aren't unexplainable random occurrences. They come from somewhere. And it is the feminist position, and my position, that they are cultural, not biological.
 

EstrogenicMuscle

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Wait... that was on the blog? My mistake, I thought it was an argument against the blog by you.

I wish they didn't use the wording "brainwashing", because it is frequently used against our case.

I'm frequently saying culture influences people's desires and behaviors with "oh, so you just think women want that because they're brainwashed, huh?".

My apologies for the miscommunication. I often do a lot of skimming to save time. Forum usage is time consuming, after all.
 

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Devoneaux said:
but that culture had to come from somewhere.
True, but that doesn't mean that thing is mostly biologically hardwired, cannot be changed, and managed to sink its teeth into our neural networks. Furthermore, culture is a complicated things. And things that don't make a whole lot of sense do seep into culture. As culture becomes more complicated, it works almost like its own organism and not every meme or so comes from biology. We develop things like religion and all sorts of other things that don't make sense. We can understand why we might have come up with them, like a need to cope with the pain of death. And once culture accelerates, it can create things that are far removed from its biological origins.

And also, there appear to have indeed, been, for instance, Matriarchal societies. The Hongshan culture is believed by many anthropologists to have been matriarchal, and that is just one of them. Also many notable animist religions have been led by women. So certainly many women have been put into positions of power. It may seem like things always "naturally" go towards male empowerment over women, but that isn't always the case.

Devoneaux said:
Honestly, this idea that our society wants to keep women down is just nuts to me, it's nothing more than thousands of years of instincts assigning us to our places
And the reason that there are still people in the world who think that way is why I am a feminist and why I believe that feminism is still necessary.
 

TeletubbiesGolfGun

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Boudica said:
I don't mean "and no one else should, either."
ah and now we get to the fruits of the labor.

I honestly had no problem with it from the beginning, but you have chosen your words HORRIBLY in some of the posts I have read, so I just wanted to coax that out of you, to make sure that is what you meant.

All i'm getting at is, choose better words when talking about popular issues, the coin goes both ways and you can really come across as something you clearly are not.

Blablahb said:
TeletubbiesGolfGun said:
I guarantee I already know the response to this, but I'll toss it out there anyways, you do realize that you don't have to be with any dominating person, and that there IS this fancy thing called "take and give"? Not to mention your being a hypocritical borderline misanthropist, considering you'd never allow a man to, but a woman you would.
So anyone with a dominant sexual preference is a hypocrite, suffers from a severe personality disorder and is a misanthropist? (because you're clearly saying there's a link between one and the other)
I misworded that, misanthropist was spell checkers choice word to go to for some reason, but no, i wasn't generalizing everyone, nor was I giving it off as a fact, I was getting to the crux of the issue, or at least attempting to.

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TeletubbiesGolfGun said:
"allowed" to pin me down? zero, but I was pinned down 4-5 times in the past week, got farted on once in that process, but if you are referring to stuff in the bedroom, no one has to be "pinned down", sex isn't some fucking battle with you versus them, generally i prefer to work with the person and see what gets us both going.
So all kinky sex is a battle, violent and exploitive? Big assumption on thin ice there. Can't wait to see you prove that's anything more than nonsense.
Actually he was making a case for the opposite. Sex, regardless of how raunchy it is doesn't HAVE to be a battle and in fact shouldn't. Wether or not you agree with that point is up to you, but that is what he said.
he already responded to you and summed it up better than i did, so i'll just leave it at that.
 

TeletubbiesGolfGun

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iTeamKill said:
heh, if sucking a dick does all that to a women, I wonder what it does to a man. :3
oh god, the fact that you said that, plus your avatar being aku looking creepily at the post

I lol'd

still, would be interesting to hear their response to that.
 

TeletubbiesGolfGun

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Trilligan said:
TeletubbiesGolfGun said:
Trilligan said:
assumptions man, you keep assuming that and i'll keep telling you you're wrong.
Your original quote took two quotes of her talking about what she preferred in the bedroom and extrapolated from that some sort of anti-BDSM agenda. Which you then hounded her for having when she and I both repeatedly said she didn't.

How else am I supposed to take that?

So how 'bout next time you keep your assumptions to yourself, and maybe harass people less about their sex lives, so you don't come off as such a creep.
anti-BDSM? LOL

yes, I had an agenda for the day, it seems you've been looking over my shoulder for what I had planned at each post during it. that's CLEARLY what I was going for.

right..because you and her both haven't been making assumptions throughout posts yourself?

there is a reason why she was hounded by so many people -_-

but hey, i'm a teletubby, what do I know.