I have to say I am enjoying it quite a lot. I hate MMOs and played WoW until I realize I completely hated it. Was not going to get SWTOR, but got it as a gift. Initially, I thought it was awful. Here we go again. Then the story aspect started growing on me. The fully voiced characters and conversations made me happy. The gameplay is more than just hit numbers on the keypad. It seems you could solo most of it, but there are still places where you can't. Without a doubt there are things that got imported from WoW that I just don't like like items that bind to you. I also hate crafting in games. Just let me get the stuff and not worry about whether my basket weaving skill is high. I would say if you don't like Star Wars you should stay away, but I am surpisingly liking it.
Poll: So, Is the new MMORPG Star Wars: The old Republic wroth playing?
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It's really a quality game, which highly surprised me. I picked it up a few days ago because I was really wanting an MMO and guild wars 2 still hasn't hit the streets so I grabbed it.
Long story short, the storytelling and combat is quite good so far. I'm enjoying the gathering and crafting well enough. It will last me at least until GW2 goes live, then I'll likely bail on it. My main complaint with the game at this point is how bad it looks, terrible graphics for such a new game, they definitely dropped the ball on the graphics department. I didn't buy a gaming PC to play games that look like they came straight out of 2005.
Edit: I'm not a massive fan of Star Wars but I am pretty impressed with the game at such an early point in it's release. Runs incredibly stably for being released less than a week ago, that is quite an accomplishment for such a complex game.
Long story short, the storytelling and combat is quite good so far. I'm enjoying the gathering and crafting well enough. It will last me at least until GW2 goes live, then I'll likely bail on it. My main complaint with the game at this point is how bad it looks, terrible graphics for such a new game, they definitely dropped the ball on the graphics department. I didn't buy a gaming PC to play games that look like they came straight out of 2005.
Edit: I'm not a massive fan of Star Wars but I am pretty impressed with the game at such an early point in it's release. Runs incredibly stably for being released less than a week ago, that is quite an accomplishment for such a complex game.
I have the same issue with it that I had with Ep. 1-3.
Jedi are spiffy. Sure. However, while Jedi have an effect on things out of proportion to their numbers, I got very tired, very quickly of everything being 'Jedi-Centric'.
Seriously, from a story standpoint it's like if you're not a Jedi, you're a bit player. And honestly, that isn't what Star Wars used to be about, or at least not in my view.
Unfortunately, Jedi are the original Mary Sue- because apparently in addition to learning the Force, learning their combat arts, learning this and learning that, they also get extensive training in being investigators, spies, judges, pilots, gunmen, repairmen, astrogators...
...in short, there's no logical drawback to being a Jedi, they can do everything you can do, only better because they also have neato Force Powers. They manage to build skill sets as good or better than any non-Force user with no clear explanation of how the hell they fit that into the same period of training time.
The Emperor had amazing powers- but he didn't create the Empire waving a lightsaber and using Force Lightning. He had an impressive Bureacracy, he had brilliant Admirals and Generals. (My personal favorite Star Wars moment was when Grand Moff Tarkin told Vader to knock it off- and Vader obeyed because he knew he had to.)
Unfortunately, the Old Republic world is JediJediJediJedi oh and there's some other people who either do stuff in the background or exist solely to support the Jedi as they singlehandedly change history despite having no background or real leadership skills to back it up.
I know there are exceptions- but I liked it better when Jedi were shown as being cool- but they aren't always in charge and they couldn't do everything better than anyone else.
Jedi are spiffy. Sure. However, while Jedi have an effect on things out of proportion to their numbers, I got very tired, very quickly of everything being 'Jedi-Centric'.
Seriously, from a story standpoint it's like if you're not a Jedi, you're a bit player. And honestly, that isn't what Star Wars used to be about, or at least not in my view.
Unfortunately, Jedi are the original Mary Sue- because apparently in addition to learning the Force, learning their combat arts, learning this and learning that, they also get extensive training in being investigators, spies, judges, pilots, gunmen, repairmen, astrogators...
...in short, there's no logical drawback to being a Jedi, they can do everything you can do, only better because they also have neato Force Powers. They manage to build skill sets as good or better than any non-Force user with no clear explanation of how the hell they fit that into the same period of training time.
The Emperor had amazing powers- but he didn't create the Empire waving a lightsaber and using Force Lightning. He had an impressive Bureacracy, he had brilliant Admirals and Generals. (My personal favorite Star Wars moment was when Grand Moff Tarkin told Vader to knock it off- and Vader obeyed because he knew he had to.)
Unfortunately, the Old Republic world is JediJediJediJedi oh and there's some other people who either do stuff in the background or exist solely to support the Jedi as they singlehandedly change history despite having no background or real leadership skills to back it up.
I know there are exceptions- but I liked it better when Jedi were shown as being cool- but they aren't always in charge and they couldn't do everything better than anyone else.
Bullshit.VladG said:
This is what grinding is: "Grinding is a term used in video gaming to describe the process of engaging in repetitive and/or boring tasks not pertaining to the story line of the game"
Swtor has a fully voiced and thought-out story line to play through with plot twists and character development. If you grinded AT ALL then you played it wrong.
And how can you even compare this game to wow? Let alone in terms of POLISH? Wow is EXTREMELY out of date. Wow doesn't have animations or graphics or story-telling that even comes CLOSE to swtor.
Are you sure you weren't playing star wars galaxies?
If WoW could be modded, one could play TOR and reasonably assume it to be a Star Wars-themed WoW mod made by a Bioware fan.
That doesn't mean it's bad, of course. It's actually fun, entertaining, pretty, and wholly and entirely unoriginal in every conceivable way. Again, that doesn't mean it's bad.
If you enjoy both the standard MMO fare and Star Wars, and you don't go into it expecting a revolutionary WoW-killer, you'll probably enjoy whatever time you spend with it.
If you had any higher hopes than that, prepare for disappointment.
That doesn't mean it's bad, of course. It's actually fun, entertaining, pretty, and wholly and entirely unoriginal in every conceivable way. Again, that doesn't mean it's bad.
If you enjoy both the standard MMO fare and Star Wars, and you don't go into it expecting a revolutionary WoW-killer, you'll probably enjoy whatever time you spend with it.
If you had any higher hopes than that, prepare for disappointment.
As a long time WoW player (7 years, give or take) I'm very much enjoying the game.
I picked a Sith inquisitor, and at level 10 you can select a advance class.
So that makes 8 classes with their other faction counter-side. (16 in total, but the republic version of the class are the same. AKA the Sith inquisitor is the same as the Jedi Consular)
So I had the choice to become a mage/healer hybrid; or a tank/stealth hybrid with a Darth Maul style double lightsaber.
The voice acting is actually pretty good, but then again, this IS bioware.
The quests are presented in cutscenes not scroll of text. Most of them have different endings, depending on some conversation choices.
Like any starwars game, some of the maps seem rather dull and square.
Not sure if I know how to explain this, but you'll see a lot of gun-grey corridors with very little details. But that's starwars. WoW has the setting for underwater caves, fire pits and high magic glowy stuff, Starwars has always been more...sterile looking.
The controls, layout, /dance and other major things all have a very big WoW feel to it.
Not annoyingly, but enough to make you be able to pick up and play, and not having to bother with figuring out where that blasted spellbook key is. (Yup, still 'p')
I like it, and I can see myself spending a few good hours in it.
Just do yourself a favour and do NOT upgrade to Deluxe.
The 'special' items are barely worth it.
Either go standard of full collectors edition, but leave the deluxe to go rot.
All you get is a Flare gun that send up a light bolt, for show. No other uses.
You get a hologram of a Cantine dancer, which is kinda like the fire-dancer you get with WoW.
Again, just for a few second.
You get some 'goggles' that lets you take screenshots in first person.
A level 25 mount -Can't comment on that, still only level 12.
And, most disappointing, was a drone. It was advertised as a Non-combat pet, like WoW has plenty off, but is nothing more then a spell you can cast on Humanoids that gives them a little drone that does some scan animation. And nothing else.
When your target dies the drone does nothing.
So, stay clear from that disappointing 'deluxe' package and you can really enjoy the game.
I picked a Sith inquisitor, and at level 10 you can select a advance class.
So that makes 8 classes with their other faction counter-side. (16 in total, but the republic version of the class are the same. AKA the Sith inquisitor is the same as the Jedi Consular)
So I had the choice to become a mage/healer hybrid; or a tank/stealth hybrid with a Darth Maul style double lightsaber.
The voice acting is actually pretty good, but then again, this IS bioware.
The quests are presented in cutscenes not scroll of text. Most of them have different endings, depending on some conversation choices.
Like any starwars game, some of the maps seem rather dull and square.
Not sure if I know how to explain this, but you'll see a lot of gun-grey corridors with very little details. But that's starwars. WoW has the setting for underwater caves, fire pits and high magic glowy stuff, Starwars has always been more...sterile looking.
The controls, layout, /dance and other major things all have a very big WoW feel to it.
Not annoyingly, but enough to make you be able to pick up and play, and not having to bother with figuring out where that blasted spellbook key is. (Yup, still 'p')
I like it, and I can see myself spending a few good hours in it.
Just do yourself a favour and do NOT upgrade to Deluxe.
The 'special' items are barely worth it.
Either go standard of full collectors edition, but leave the deluxe to go rot.
All you get is a Flare gun that send up a light bolt, for show. No other uses.
You get a hologram of a Cantine dancer, which is kinda like the fire-dancer you get with WoW.
Again, just for a few second.
You get some 'goggles' that lets you take screenshots in first person.
A level 25 mount -Can't comment on that, still only level 12.
And, most disappointing, was a drone. It was advertised as a Non-combat pet, like WoW has plenty off, but is nothing more then a spell you can cast on Humanoids that gives them a little drone that does some scan animation. And nothing else.
When your target dies the drone does nothing.
So, stay clear from that disappointing 'deluxe' package and you can really enjoy the game.
I'm a fan of KoTOR and Bioware, but the graphics and gameplay of TOR are too heavily out of date. I felt the same way about WoW when it launched in 2004, the game was already stale back then (having played EQ and Diablo 2 years before), so for me TOR is a minimally improved copy of a stale 2004 game.
The graphic style of KoTOR 1, the combat system, the leveling, all were replaced with WoW/WoW/WoW. It's really the end for me and Bioware, I no longer hold them in high regard, in the past they innovated a good formula for fully voiced RPGs, but at this point they are worthless copycats riding that past formula.
The graphic style of KoTOR 1, the combat system, the leveling, all were replaced with WoW/WoW/WoW. It's really the end for me and Bioware, I no longer hold them in high regard, in the past they innovated a good formula for fully voiced RPGs, but at this point they are worthless copycats riding that past formula.
ok i am tired of this crap about how it looks.....Its a mmo its not suposed to be the best looking game on the market its suposed to be a FUN game which it is. as for this "its a WOW clone" crap no its not a wow clone its an MMO only so many ways you can make one WoW was not the first just was the first with a large fan base. so please take a few second to think before you ***** about something (which is your right BTW im not saying it isnt) but please do so research before you post.isometry said:
Yeah, how about you play the game and get back to me.Anti Nudist Cupcake said:
What exactly do you think you do after you engage in FULLY VOICED NARATION dialogues with npcs? Do you actually think quests are anything else than "go kill x number of y to collect z"? that's right, you go off grinding for the next hour or two. and it's a hell of a lot worse than WoW. So far I've played quite a few MMORPGs and the Coruscant section of TOR was by far the worst experience I've had in an MMO.
As for the actual story, I stopped giving a shit after the first 10 quests, it's just fucking boring and uninteresting.
Oh, you want to talk polish and outdated mechanics, ok, let's do that. Play a Jedi Knight. Then go play a Warrior in WoW and try to tell me there are differences with a straight face. Same fucking mechanics, even most of the abilities are nearly identical. Every secondary mechanic like the interface, keybindings, travel system is basically copy-pasted from WoW.
Graphics? you are really bringing graphics into it? well, tech-wise it's newer, yes. The actual visual design? It's crap. Dull, uninteresting, there is nothing that strike you as "Star Wars". WoW at least has a distinctive visual style that, despite it's extreme age still looks decent.
Play the game, then try to bring some arguments, don't just spit out hype at me.
It does something no other MMO has been able to do.
Make me WANT to pay for it. If WoW is your kind of MMO, then ToR is the perfect game for you. While yes, its a bit of a WoW clone, theres nothing wrong with that. WoW did almost everything right, and what i did wrong, ToR fixed.
I couldnt give 2 craps about the story in WoW. Walls of text start to get boring after the first 25. With ToR, every quest is fully voice acted, and almost all of them have multiple quest effecting choices. Its rare to get a quest thats summed up by "Kill 20 Jabberwakies". And almost every single one is a "bonus mission" you get for just being in the area, and is completely optional. But your likely to finish it just because theyre in the way of your goal.
The graphics are good, but nothing amazing. But what people forget is the aesthetic of the game. Did Borderlands have good graphics? No, they were actually pretty bad. But It didnt need good graphics, because of its art style. ToR is Star Wars. Theres force lightening everywhere, lightsabers colliding and blaster shots flailing across the area. It looks amazing when compared to most other games, even if its graphics arnt at the Crysis level.
If anything can topple WoW, its going to be The Old Republic. And i find its worth every penny.
Make me WANT to pay for it. If WoW is your kind of MMO, then ToR is the perfect game for you. While yes, its a bit of a WoW clone, theres nothing wrong with that. WoW did almost everything right, and what i did wrong, ToR fixed.
I couldnt give 2 craps about the story in WoW. Walls of text start to get boring after the first 25. With ToR, every quest is fully voice acted, and almost all of them have multiple quest effecting choices. Its rare to get a quest thats summed up by "Kill 20 Jabberwakies". And almost every single one is a "bonus mission" you get for just being in the area, and is completely optional. But your likely to finish it just because theyre in the way of your goal.
The graphics are good, but nothing amazing. But what people forget is the aesthetic of the game. Did Borderlands have good graphics? No, they were actually pretty bad. But It didnt need good graphics, because of its art style. ToR is Star Wars. Theres force lightening everywhere, lightsabers colliding and blaster shots flailing across the area. It looks amazing when compared to most other games, even if its graphics arnt at the Crysis level.
If anything can topple WoW, its going to be The Old Republic. And i find its worth every penny.
I think this is the problem. Either you're not actually interested in the story or you just don't give a chance.VladG said:
Grinding in some form is unavoidable is this sort of game. The point is that because of the way the story is presented one is able to get some more background on why they're 'grinding'. And consequently care more for what they're doing.
If that doesn't work for you it's a shame, but not really the game's fault. It works for me.
Nope, I went in hoping for something new to freshen up the very stale formula WoW has refined and have paid for my mistake. There is nothing new or even remotely interesting in this game. Feel free to get suckered in by the "story" and "choice" that was hyped. The only thing it actually brings to the formula is that the quest text doesn't scroll on the screen, it's voiced out. If that's innovation enough for you, great. The OP asked for opinions, that's what I'm giving.ecoho said:You sir went in thinking the game was KOTOR 3 instead of an MMO and so you paid for your misstakeVladG said:have fun, stop playing ,and please say your peace and leave TY
And before making such dismissive remarks you might want to actually read my post. At no time do I compare it to KOTOR, but constantly compare it to other MMOs. Exactly how does that translate in me expecting anything but an MMO?
Look man, if you care about it there's plenty of story in WoW, and with the changes in quest progression that Cataclysm brought, it's a hell of a lot more interesting than what I've played in TOR. My point was that the story is nowhere near as interesting as in previous Bioware games, and that's why I didn't give a shit about it.Nimcha said:
As for the grind, yes, it's unavoidable. There are 2 reasons why I mentioned it:
1) the guy I was replying to said there IS NO GRIND, IF YOU GRIND YOU ARE PLAYING IT WRONG. No. Just no.
2) The grind is a lot worse than in other MMOs. I couldn't care less about the backstory of why I have to kill 25 mercs of x faction since the gameplay itself is boring. The fact that there MIGHT be some good dialogue at the end of 2 hours of VERY boring gameplay (and for the 40+ hours I've played the game there was none such) does not work for me.
i would ask you not to insault my intelligence by saying i "got suckered into the over hyped story and choice option."VladG said:Nope, I went in hoping for something new to freshen up the very stale formula WoW has refined and have paid for my mistake. There is nothing new or even remotely interesting in this game. Feel free to get suckered in by the "story" and "choice" that was hyped. The only thing it actually brings to the formula is that the quest text doesn't scroll on the screen, it's voiced out. If that's innovation enough for you, great. The OP asked for opinions, that's what I'm giving.ecoho said:You sir went in thinking the game was KOTOR 3 instead of an MMO and so you paid for your misstakeVladG said:
Nothing much to insult if that's what you got from my post. Go pick a fight with someone else, I'm not wasting my time with you.ecoho said:i would ask you not to insault my intelligence by saying i "got suckered into the over hyped story and choice option."VladG said:Nope, I went in hoping for something new to freshen up the very stale formula WoW has refined and have paid for my mistake. There is nothing new or even remotely interesting in this game. Feel free to get suckered in by the "story" and "choice" that was hyped. The only thing it actually brings to the formula is that the quest text doesn't scroll on the screen, it's voiced out. If that's innovation enough for you, great. The OP asked for opinions, that's what I'm giving.ecoho said:You sir went in thinking the game was KOTOR 3 instead of an MMO and so you paid for your misstakeVladG said: