Poll: So these cheaters think they deserve a second chance.

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-Drifter-

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Why should they get a second chance? They ignored the rules and stopped other people from enjoying the game for the sake of their scores/amusement. They got what was coming to them.

EDIT: Infinity Ward could just release a patch, though.
 
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G-Mang said:
Using glitches is not the same as cheating. A glitch is merely a part of a game that was unforeseen or somehow avoid either by chance or choice--it's not inherently wrong (or even something worthy of discipline/patching) unless it makes the game unplayable or close to it for others (like the underground sentry glitch in gravelpit ptC in TF2).

People don't get banned in SSB for wavedashing, they don't get banned in Starcraft for using the gas trick, they don't get banned in Street Fighter for using a 2-1 combo, they don't get banned in quake for rocketjumping, they don't get banned in tribes for bhopping, they don't get banned in in basketball for full-court pressing, they don't get banned in Guild Wars for perma-SF farming, they don't get banned in TF2 for Bonk strafing, and they don't get banned for using third-party-antagonizing dealings in Monopoly. Glitches/exploits can become parts of games just as well as any developer-intended mechanic, and there's nothing inherently wrong with making use of emergent gameplay. Glitch mechanics are part of the game when you buy it. Whether it was clear or intentional isn't really relevant to its value.

If I sold someone my car that I had grown up with and they ended up using it for parts, it might not be how I envisioned the car would be used, but that doesn't matter--it's their car, and they have no obligations to me or my intentions. Likewise, game players aren't obligated to stay true to the spirit of the developers' intentions (or whatever you want to call it), they're merely obligated to not literally change the mechanics of the game (hacking).

If the glitch is extremely overpowered to the extent that it noticeably removes viable options at high-level play, then it should be fixed. That's as far as it should go. The video I saw looked like it made you auto-grenade on death. That's not something that breaks the game. It might make the game worse, but that's something that should be patched, not policed.

Of course, I could be getting the wrong impression from the video. If this auto-grenade/javelin/whatever thing literally kills people even if they take measures to avoid it, like sniping from a distance or something, that would qualify as making the game unplayable, which would probably warrant discipline.
full court press? really? that is the worst example and is no where near being a glitch, my team destroyed teams using this tactic and we would use it back on them, its all about speed and stamina, which they lacked

this is a glitch that gets you ALMOST automatic kills after you die, due to the large blast radius in kills that you did absolutely nothing to earn at all, which you cant even block or out do, you just better hope you see them from afar or your gonna die
 

fix-the-spade

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Well he's an idiot, what you gonna do?

They don't need a warning, if the could get off their lazy arses and read the rules they would already know exactly what was going to happen if they used glitches. If someone hands you the rules before you start playing a game and then you break them, you don't get a little tap on shoulder and polite warning, you get booted the feck out of there. Not happy about it? Well you should have read the rules first.

It's just idiots with a sense of entitlement believing they are somehow above the system.
 

AndyFromMonday

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Those papers that you decided to throw away the moment you opened your 360's box talk about what's allowed and what's not allowed online. READ THEM, YOU ASSHOLE!
 

slipknot4

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RobbinHood said:
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Meh, IW fucked up, again. It's not the players fault that they are taking advantage of it.
You said it yourself, "TAKING ADVANTAGE." They are guilty of taking advantage of the system, that is the reason there is a clause about this in the Terms of Use.

Ignorance is never and excuse. Whether they knew it or not they broke the rules and are subject to the penalty.

They wouldn't be complaining if they just played the game it was meant to be played.
Please, let's keep this civil.
If IW releases a game with serious bugs and glitches it's their responsibility to fix them.
It's like putting allot of candy in front of a baby and tell it not to eat.
 

funguy2121

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No. Cheaters ruin a game even faster than the childish dipshits who've never felt a woman's touch and scream "you're a fukkin' fag, yo, that kill was gay." I mean, what's the point, anyway? Using a cheat code in single player's only fun for maybe 5 minutes, so how does anyone get enjoyment out of cheating in multi?

Multiplayer gaming is the only place in my life for competition. I get a superficial sense of fulfillment out of knowing that I kicked someone's ass fair and square, even if it was a narrow victory. What do I get out of it if I have God mode activated?

Permanent banning, that's what I say.
 

G-Mang

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full court press? really? that is the worst example and is no where near being a glitch, my team destroyed teams using this tactic and we would use it back on them, its all about speed and stamina, which they lacked
A full court press would qualify for the definition I provided of "a part of a game that was unforeseen or somehow avoid[ed] either by chance or choice." A lot of teams are unprepared for a full court press even though it's technically always been part of the game, especially against teams in childhood or casual leagues. I'm sure if you taught one of those kinds of teams to always full court press you'd get a lot of crap for not playing in the "spirit of the game" (in fact I've read an article just on that topic for a secondary school girls' team), and the same goes for glitches, which are equally part of the game but are obscure or unused.

I'm not saying that full court presses are illegitimate or cheap--in fact my point was basically saying the opposite: that just cause a game mechanic is considered unfair or against "how a game should be played" to some people, that doesn't make it wrong, and glitches are by their nature part of the game's mechanics. Glitches aren't always easy to use. In fact most of the glitches I mentioned require a good amount of skill and practice. If one quake player destroyed another because of how well he could quickly and persistently patrol through weapon spawns with perfect bunny hopping, it would require similar skills to something like a full court press, and it would be considered just as legitimate.

gmaverick019 said:
this is a glitch that gets you ALMOST automatic kills after you die, due to the large blast radius in kills that you did absolutely nothing to earn at all, which you cant even block or out do, you just better hope you see them from afar or your gonna die
Like I said, I could be wrong, but it appeared to me that it could be avoided by sticking to far-ranged weapons and staying attentive. That probably changes the game, maybe even for the worse, but it certainly doesn't render it unplayable. If a server owner wanted to limit it, that'd be their right as a server owner, but for the actual game makers/distributors, it's a mechanic they put in the game. It's their responsibility to make the design intentions match how the game is played, not the players'.

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Most of the glitches I listed would be considered cheap or unfair to someone who wasn't familiar with them, but their eventual acceptance and usage ended up giving their games more depth and skill. Obviously, many glitches don't do this, but punishing people for glitches is not a good policy, especially when the game makers are in a position from which they can easily fix the cause of the glitch itself. If glitches were punished all the time, games like Street Fighter, Quake and its derivatives, and SSBM would be much slower-paced, shallower, and short-lived at high levels of play.
 

GodofDisaster

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No cheaters don't deserve a second chance it's obvious that cheating in games is wrong, and they need to face the consenquences.
 

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slipknot4 said:
RobbinHood said:
slipknot4 said:
Meh, IW fucked up, again. It's not the players fault that they are taking advantage of it.
You said it yourself, "TAKING ADVANTAGE." They are guilty of taking advantage of the system, that is the reason there is a clause about this in the Terms of Use.

Ignorance is never and excuse. Whether they knew it or not they broke the rules and are subject to the penalty.

They wouldn't be complaining if they just played the game it was meant to be played.
Please, let's keep this civil.
If IW releases a game with serious bugs and glitches it's their responsibility to fix them.
It's like putting allot of candy in front of a baby and tell it not to eat.
You are correct, it is their responsibility to fix them, and they have. However by using XBOX Live it is your responsibility to adhere to the terms of use. This glitch would not be an issue if everyone did just that.

I will be more civil in the future, my apologies.
 

slipknot4

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RobbinHood said:
I will be more civil in the future, my apologies.
Nah, i think i overreacted and i guess we both have to watch the situation from both angles.
I understand you statement, and i agree. But there have been glitches in all video games.
For instance, COD4, Crossroads had a glitch in a building where you could air walk above the entire map, getting cheep kills. And it is in this context i speak my mind. Why did they make such a big deal of MW2's javelin glitch?
I generaly don't expose the glitches in an online mode because it's a bad way of getting kills and that there is a 2:1 failure rate. If a camper kills you, if you get shot from a too far distance and every other aspect of an unrewarding game style.
 

Rooster893

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They are taking out the fun of the game and therefore should be put on temporary probation and a warning.
 

SometingStupid

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I think that guys shouldn't even get a warning. They didn't use any kind of external program or out of game system. It's up to Infinity Ward to fix glitches, and if anything, these guys pointed it out, what's wrong with that?
 

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slipknot4 said:
RobbinHood said:
I will be more civil in the future, my apologies.
Nah, i think i overreacted and i guess we both have to watch the situation from both angles.
I understand you statement, and i agree. But there have been glitches in all video games.
For instance, COD4, Crossroads had a glitch in a building where you could air walk above the entire map, getting cheep kills. And it is in this context i speak my mind. Why did they make such a big deal of MW2's javelin glitch?
I generaly don't expose the glitches in an online mode because it's a bad way of getting kills and that there is a 2:1 failure rate. If a camper kills you, if you get shot from a too far distance and every other aspect of an unrewarding game style.
In my experience there will never be a time when we don't have game with glitches. We are however, lucky enough that through technology these issues can be fixed with patches. This is something the Gaming society needs to recognize and not abuse.

It was also my understanding the the people who got suspended were suspended by XBOX Live, and not permanently. This was most likely not a decision made by IW but XBL themselves.
 

Awexsome

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After discovering how to do it I tried it for one or two games. It was damn fun although I stopped doing it because it's a glitch for a reason. It's basically super-instant-ultra Martydom and is way too overpowered. I haven't had much trouble with them because once I know there's a dude running around trying to do it I'm much more aware of my surroundings.

Give em' a temporary ban if they continuously do it because it's gonna be patched soon anyways and it's not as bad as the people who glitch into the level's geometry or use other cheating ways that are impossible to play against. Those people deserve the perma-ban if they continue abusing the glitch.
 

Thomas Drake

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When I first heard people talking about this I had no clue until I got into the multiplayer and it didn't take long to see it. I do have to admit that it felt both annoying and really cheap; I would hope people should already know that doing something like that can get you banned but apparently not. Personally I would say a warning sent to them on Xbox Live is warranted plus the suspension because they should already know better. Hopefully though it won't be long before it gets fixed but in the mean time and for other games this should be the policy, or at least that is my opinion.
 

ProfessorLayton

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Oh, so if you're going to cheat you need a warning before you get banned? How about not cheating in the first place? In fact, it makes the game a lot more fun.
 

azncutthroat

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Wait, how does one report glitchers? I file complaints for cheating against players using the glitch. Is that enough?
 

Diablo1099_v1legacy

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Ninjamedic said:
Im on the "IW should simply patch it" side.
Damn straight i belive that glitching should not be allowed in competitive gaming but feel free to mess around with friends all long as you don't piss me off.