Mate, I don't want to just talk like a Dalek, I want to be a Dalek. Daleks are awesome.Veldie said:
Poll: So with the new season of Doctor Who inbound.
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I swear it'd be super-interesting to see a female doctor.
Rule 63 fans would have a fit...
After all, those bastards have made teases at it before. (well, not as such but...)
Rule 63 fans would have a fit...
After all, those bastards have made teases at it before. (well, not as such but...)
That show wouldn't be 'Luther' by any chance? If it was, keep watching it. If it wasn't, find it and watch it, because 'Luther' is fucking awesome.DustyDrB said:
Oh, and I agree with WolfThomas. When they do decide to replace Smith, whenever that may be, I would love to see Idris Elba as the new Doctor (so long as it doesn't just turn into an shallow exhibition of "Look, Look! We have a black Doctor now!", but I trust the writers to be better than that).
Gotta say...Eccleston at this point. Haven't really been too impressed with Tennant and Smith. Don't get me wrong, both actors are good...but after their initial introduction, both of them took a sharp nose dive. Tennent's best episodes I can think of are all from the Second Season (e.g: "The Age of Steel" two parter, "Tooth and Claw" (to an extent), "The Satan Pit" etc), and after that, well...the problems New Who has became more apparent (especially when one mentions "Dreamland"), with the possible exception of one or two bright spots (and no, I'm not counting "Blink" under that banner).
With Smith, again his better episodes are from his first Season (with the only decent episode of his second season being "The Girl who Waited"...who was also the writer for "The Age of Steel" two parter. Huh O.O), and afterwards...well, as troubled as Tennent's latter seasons were, Smith is having it worse - Plot Holes that can sink Battleships, a Mary Sue/Author Tract recurring character and the show feels as if it's actually gotten dumber. As much as I'll harp about how Tennent's later seasons were bad, we still got some episodes like "Turn Left", which were decent in and of themselves.
As it is, I think Eccleston probably did the right thing in getting out while he could. It means that New Who actually had one decent Doctor...that people don't seem to remember much. Huh O.O
With Smith, again his better episodes are from his first Season (with the only decent episode of his second season being "The Girl who Waited"...who was also the writer for "The Age of Steel" two parter. Huh O.O), and afterwards...well, as troubled as Tennent's latter seasons were, Smith is having it worse - Plot Holes that can sink Battleships, a Mary Sue/Author Tract recurring character and the show feels as if it's actually gotten dumber. As much as I'll harp about how Tennent's later seasons were bad, we still got some episodes like "Turn Left", which were decent in and of themselves.
As it is, I think Eccleston probably did the right thing in getting out while he could. It means that New Who actually had one decent Doctor...that people don't seem to remember much. Huh O.O
I have practically stopped caring about which doctor was the best or which writers are the best.
Why? After picking up on theese arguments about 2 years ago i just switch into MST3K mode.[footnote]Sit back and enjoy the damn show. In my case only something as abysmally dumb as The Expendables can break me out of it[/footnote]
Why? After picking up on theese arguments about 2 years ago i just switch into MST3K mode.[footnote]Sit back and enjoy the damn show. In my case only something as abysmally dumb as The Expendables can break me out of it[/footnote]
Tennant was easily my favourite of the new Doctors, but I really enjoyed Eccleston's series. I mean, Tennant was brilliant but his serieses suffered from some truly irritating companions. Rose was fine some of the time, Martha was fine most of the time and Donna was well and truly abysmal all of the time. Also, Eccleston's episodes were on the whole, better, I think.
Smith's ok, I guess. I feel sorry that he had to come after Tennant, and that automatically makes people criticise him, but I still don't think he's all that grand.
Smith's ok, I guess. I feel sorry that he had to come after Tennant, and that automatically makes people criticise him, but I still don't think he's all that grand.
I have to admit I stopped watching after the 'Let's Kill Hitler' debacle. OMG River is actually a bad guy only she's not because she's pefect and Stephen Moffatt doesn't know the meaning of Mary Sue!'
I've gone over my points again and again on this front so here's the very short rundown.
Davies was good at tying individual episodes together to create an overarching plot that you didn't see coming but on rewatching you could see all the threads pulling together.
Moffat is good at writing individual episodes. Now he's running the whole series direction he has now idea what the hell he's doing.
As a good rule of thumb, when you have to reboot your entire universe at the end of the first season because you screwed everything up so badly it's not good. I don't like reboots on the whole because they erase continuity I liked. By rebooting the universe (I understand from my sister that he did it a second time) he wipes out episodes I liked. Did the Library still happen? Because the knowledge that River dies a horrible electric death was really comforting to me many times during Smith's first outing. Did anything Tenant did, and all those people he helped, actually still exist?
Reboots are terrible, Smith isn't a patch on Eccleston or Tenant, and Moffatt isn't a very good writer.
As for the best Doctor, I'm going with Eccleston. I love Tenant and I think he did a great job, but there's something about the way Eccleston does dark that I prefer. Tenant was alright as a dark Doctor, but Eccleston was so much better.
I've gone over my points again and again on this front so here's the very short rundown.
Davies was good at tying individual episodes together to create an overarching plot that you didn't see coming but on rewatching you could see all the threads pulling together.
Moffat is good at writing individual episodes. Now he's running the whole series direction he has now idea what the hell he's doing.
As a good rule of thumb, when you have to reboot your entire universe at the end of the first season because you screwed everything up so badly it's not good. I don't like reboots on the whole because they erase continuity I liked. By rebooting the universe (I understand from my sister that he did it a second time) he wipes out episodes I liked. Did the Library still happen? Because the knowledge that River dies a horrible electric death was really comforting to me many times during Smith's first outing. Did anything Tenant did, and all those people he helped, actually still exist?
Reboots are terrible, Smith isn't a patch on Eccleston or Tenant, and Moffatt isn't a very good writer.
As for the best Doctor, I'm going with Eccleston. I love Tenant and I think he did a great job, but there's something about the way Eccleston does dark that I prefer. Tenant was alright as a dark Doctor, but Eccleston was so much better.
Eh, I see Moffat's seasons as an improvement over RTD and his incoherent and operatic messes.Supertegwyn said:
OT: I have no real problems with Smith, all I'd say is that they could make the finales two parters again for more writing space.
I prefer Matt Smith. Tennant's higher voice and slurring really got to me towards the end, and Tennant is not a subtle actor most of the time - and I prefer subtlety.
I think Moffat's writing is far, far superior to the rubbish Davies wrote. Davies wasn't bad in the beginning. Lots of interesting episodes, creature designs, and some fairly well woven multi-episode plots.
Then the last couple of seasons with Davies as head it's almost as though Davies had an aneurism. He lost all sense of reality and just jammed his foot hard down on the "Ridiculous" pedal. Too many Dalek episodes, a solar flare manifesting as lightning that causes The Doctor's DNA to merge with Dalekanium and bullshitty bullshitty bullshitty save the day, and the completely schizophrenic "I don't use guns but I've committed multiple genocides and killed several living beings or imprisoned them until death" of the writing for the 9th Doctor.
Whereas Davies was good at first and slipped into balls-out insanity, I can see Moffat just getting better for my tastes.
I think Moffat's writing is far, far superior to the rubbish Davies wrote. Davies wasn't bad in the beginning. Lots of interesting episodes, creature designs, and some fairly well woven multi-episode plots.
Then the last couple of seasons with Davies as head it's almost as though Davies had an aneurism. He lost all sense of reality and just jammed his foot hard down on the "Ridiculous" pedal. Too many Dalek episodes, a solar flare manifesting as lightning that causes The Doctor's DNA to merge with Dalekanium and bullshitty bullshitty bullshitty save the day, and the completely schizophrenic "I don't use guns but I've committed multiple genocides and killed several living beings or imprisoned them until death" of the writing for the 9th Doctor.
Whereas Davies was good at first and slipped into balls-out insanity, I can see Moffat just getting better for my tastes.
I think in many ways they both had the same problems.Ninjamedic said:
For example, they both have Steven King syndrome, in that they build lots of atmosphere, they set the mystery up perfectly, and then it's all resolved in a couple of minutes by some weird coincidence or deus ex machina, generally something which makes no sense when you actually think about it.
I personally think Moffat was really, really good as a guest writer. Every episode he guest wrote was genuinely superb. But I question whether he is the right person to manage the metaplot because, in my opinion, he really overdoes it. I kind of want to go back to when it was just the doctor doing shit, without too much concern for continuity or maintaining a regular cast of characters, and while RTD started that trend, I had high hopes that a new writer would reign it back. Under Moffatt, it seems to have gone into overdrive.
On the plus side, Moffatt can actually write human emotion. Every RTD "drama" scene could be summed up with the words "everyone chews the scenery, and then David Tennant does that big eye thing while sad piano music plays".
I love them all!
If I was forced to choose though, the Doctor/Donna combination would be my favourite.
I'm looking forward to the new companion although I would have liked them to dump Amy and keep Rory. He's so amazing.
I'm fairly sure that Matt Smith said that this season would be his last.
If I was forced to choose though, the Doctor/Donna combination would be my favourite.
I'm looking forward to the new companion although I would have liked them to dump Amy and keep Rory. He's so amazing.
I'm fairly sure that Matt Smith said that this season would be his last.
Davies is far more guilty of this though, and he shows a pattern for it. Establish a piece of technology/maguffin that can do X (The inside of the TARDIS, The Void Breach, The Archangel Network, The Gate from The End of Time) then at some point have it gain the ability to/modified to do Y, with Y being able to fix or undo everything the Villain has done.evilthecat said:
Agreed, although he at least tries to mix things up, and I'm hoping he scales down the continuity lag. Then again, it can't get any worse that season 4.
Tom Baker FTW, oh wait you wanted since its return.
Right now Tennant is the best, (also most popular according to the EW poll a couple of weeks ago). I like Matt Smith with his kind of manic Doctor and he keeps growing on me. It has to be hard to follow someone like Tennant in this kind of thing. Much like George Lazenby following Sean Connery as James Bond, stepping into those giant popular culture impacting shoes after someone so many people liked is hard. (Ahhh, my other favorite Time Lord; Bond, James Bond.) Matt Smith is doing good and will likely be the Doctor during whatever big 50th anniversery thing they do.
Please, oh please a whole bunch of Doctors in a big episode, two or three parter ideally. Of course I don't think Colin Baker is going to fit in his technicolor patchwork coat, he's put on a bit of weight. lol
Right now Tennant is the best, (also most popular according to the EW poll a couple of weeks ago). I like Matt Smith with his kind of manic Doctor and he keeps growing on me. It has to be hard to follow someone like Tennant in this kind of thing. Much like George Lazenby following Sean Connery as James Bond, stepping into those giant popular culture impacting shoes after someone so many people liked is hard. (Ahhh, my other favorite Time Lord; Bond, James Bond.) Matt Smith is doing good and will likely be the Doctor during whatever big 50th anniversery thing they do.
Please, oh please a whole bunch of Doctors in a big episode, two or three parter ideally. Of course I don't think Colin Baker is going to fit in his technicolor patchwork coat, he's put on a bit of weight. lol
I like Tennant the most, not that I dislike either other new one. Smith doesn't bring nearly the depth to the role that Tennant did, and I classify Eccleston to be in a different category from the other two. He's more pessimistic and serious than Tennant and especially when compared to Smith.
I wish Russel T Davies came back. I like Moffat, but he overdoes it with Amy and especially Riversong. He should stick to Sherlock, as he does a damn good job with that show.
I wish Russel T Davies came back. I like Moffat, but he overdoes it with Amy and especially Riversong. He should stick to Sherlock, as he does a damn good job with that show.
I kind of feel like the writers didn't really know what to do with Matt Smith until later in his run. While he is very good, as was Eccleston, David Tennant was just beyond comparison.
Does anyone think maybe it's just a time thing and Matt Smith will become "THE Doctor" in the same way Tennant did after going as long as he did?
I also agree with what was said earlier in the thread, that Doctor Who's current problems have nothing to do with Smith.
I guess my favouring of Tennant could simply come from the fact that I was most into Doctor Who during his time and that the show was generally better while he was around because the success of Eccleston's run meant a much bigger budget.
On a more on-topic note, I still think James Nesbitt would be a good follow-up to Smith as an older, more serious Doctor could really help drag the show back from its current state of kiddie-level drivel (see: The most recent Christmas special).
Does anyone think maybe it's just a time thing and Matt Smith will become "THE Doctor" in the same way Tennant did after going as long as he did?
I also agree with what was said earlier in the thread, that Doctor Who's current problems have nothing to do with Smith.
I guess my favouring of Tennant could simply come from the fact that I was most into Doctor Who during his time and that the show was generally better while he was around because the success of Eccleston's run meant a much bigger budget.
On a more on-topic note, I still think James Nesbitt would be a good follow-up to Smith as an older, more serious Doctor could really help drag the show back from its current state of kiddie-level drivel (see: The most recent Christmas special).