Poll: Suicide... Is it really our place to tell people whether or not to kill themselves?

[Tdc2182]

I agree with only the last thing you said. Some people do want to die. They want to die because they believe that nothing is better than what they are going through. Some people feel they are never going to get a better life.

Which is why we need to help them find a reason, not accept that their lives are screwed.

Me
Edit: it is just kind of sickening, this new youth revelation that we are part of.

Wait, what?

This new era of us accepting science and logic(The good part), also comes at a price. We no longer believe in anything. We don't believe in the human imagination and symbolism anymore, it is now strict logic that gets us places. An Example is this right here; We are just gonna let a human being die just because he feels its best for him.

Sorry, it is really hard to explain.

Shouldn't that be ideals? And besides, just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean they don't have ideals. Also I'm pretty sure most people here would try to help, it's about how far you take that help rather than whether or not you are going to help.

It might be ideals, or something else. I just honestly live under the impression, that no matter how bad you think your life is, there is always somebody who is worse off and always somebody who thinks they have everything. The reason why most people think there is no way out is because they are to heavily influenced by reality, instead of thinking what they can accomplish. Maybe they might have to break a few laws to be happy, let them realize that if they want it, they can have it.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Well, I'm out of concrete advice. I got lucky and got rid of my social outcast status when I changed schools (We do that between grades 10 and 11 here). I really can't do more than stressing that positive thinking helps a lot.

Actually, I found that positive thinking in the end only hurt me more. It makes the inevitable disappoint just the more painful. It's a pattern I started to recognise. But you know what the worst part is? That I did have a home, if only for a few months. I too shook off my social outcast status but then WAM I was forced to leave it all behind. All those things I hoped for for so many years, and it was all gone.

I do not see much in the future. I try to ignore the bad thoughts and maintain a 'cross that bridge when I get to it' attitude.
You could try to ask yourself what's the worst thing that can happen if you do not complete the college course.
Maybe try to live more for your own sake. Relax, take a vacation. I use to play with the thought of just leaving everything behind and going to live in a buddhist temple.

As I used to play with the thought of just saying "fuck it" with everything and start roaming the world. But I'm too weak for that. I no longer ask much from life, I just want to live together with the girl I love, share my life with her, expand my life, experience more things. Just live basically.

Anyway, I thought I explain already why I no longer have that luxury of just living life and wait for whatever to cross my path. I am forced to deal with certain choices and forced to think about the future and what I'm going to do. It's mainly that pressure that's killing me.

As for what's the worst that could happen. Well, if I don't get some sort of college degree I'll probably:
- Be stuck with this miserable job (as it's making me miserable).
- Be stuck in this miserable little village with nothing around.
- Thus continue to have 0 friends and live in crushing loneliness.
- Live on auto-pilot as an empty shell, exactly what I'm doing right now. Hell sometimes days go by and I barely notice.

I don't know what to tell you. I have no idea what that feels like.

Please remember that everything seems a lot worse when you're down, and a lot better when you're happy.

A mood lifter tip I figured ut a while back is listening to happy music. The problem is, of course, that when you're sad you don't want to listen to happy music. Therefore, what you do, is go to youtube and search for Miles Davis, and find a nice, neutral-mood song, and surf the related videos. From there you can begin to escalate the happiness-factor on the songs you listen to. After an hour or two I found I suddenly could listen to songs like this, and I was in a lot better mood.

Actually no, at least not in my case. In the few moments that I experience temporary joy I just don't think about my situation at all. Every time I do think about it it's just as bad as usual. The whole situation in itself is what makes me feel down in the first place.

Also, thanks for the musical suggestion, but it doesn't help much these days. Good ol' Miles (I'm a big fan) can still mellow me out nowadays, but when I'm a real downer mood (like while I'm writing this) there is no music (not even this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCfiJyDuFCw] and by the gods that's uplifting) that can really pick me up.

 

[Terminate421]

Suicide is wrong, despite them being unhappy, they could easily be contributing to this world. All they have to do is find out what they want to do.

 

[Jonluw]

Well, I'm out of concrete advice. I got lucky and got rid of my social outcast status when I changed schools (We do that between grades 10 and 11 here). I really can't do more than stressing that positive thinking helps a lot.

Actually, I found that positive thinking in the end only hurt me more. It makes the inevitable disappoint just the more painful. It's a pattern I started to recognise. But you know what the worst part is? That I did have a home, if only for a few months. I too shook off my social outcast status but then WAM I was forced to leave it all behind. All those things I hoped for for so many years, and it was all gone.

As I said, I'm out of concrete advice, but I'd like to note that by positive thinking I don't mean getting your hopes up for the future, I rather mean making the best of whatever situation you're in (on an hour to hour basis). Being in a happy mood tends to make you more happy.

Really though, I don't know what to say. Fight on.

 

[Cowabungaa]

As I said, I'm out of concrete advice, but I'd like to note that by positive thinking I don't mean getting your hopes up for the future, I rather mean making the best of whatever situation you're in (on an hour to hour basis). Being in a happy mood tends to make you more happy.

Really though, I don't know what to say. Fight on.

Heh, even on an hour to hour basis it usually sucks. I mean, I'm sitting on my room all day. Occasionally I get out to watch a movie or something, but I'm pretty much always alone. And that gets to me time and time again, not being able to share the things I care about with someone.

But anyway, thanks for suggesting all those things. It's just that I'm out of energy to keep fighting. All my life, even though it's not that long, I had to fight for what I really care about and always had to see it get crushed before my eyes. At one point your batteries just run out.

 

[Jonluw]

Heh, even on an hour to hour basis it usually sucks. I mean, I'm sitting on my room all day. Occasionally I get out to watch a movie or something, but I'm pretty much always alone. And that gets to me time and time again, not being able to share the things I care about with someone.

We're not that different in that regard at least: I sit inside all day as well (unless the weather is nice; then I sit outside). I guess the difference is that I am by myself because I am comfortable with that, while you are alone against your wishes.

Thank you as well, it was nice talking with you, and I'll just hope you'll find a recharge station for your batteries soon.

 

[Cowabungaa]

You should listen to Opeth if you are remotely interested in metal music.

Eh no thanks, I don't really. Especially in those subgenres there's too much grunting and guitars that are just...well, I don't know, over-the-top? It all feels so wannabe-legendary, fake-epic. I'll stick with Judas Priest.

But thanks for the suggestion anyway. Sadly music doesn't even help all that much nowadays. It's a temporary, short relieve at best. Then I see that admission letter from college again and it all starts over again.

 

[Cowabungaa]

That's fine. Judas Priest's good too. Anyways I was like you and you know what helped, talking to psychologists.

I've been seeing one for a couple of months now, it didn't help squat and now he's think about sending me to more intensive therapy. It's been going like that forever really, I'm looking for help but all they do is redirect me. I'm having my next appointment in a few hours, already looking forward to it...

 

[Johanthemonster666]

I think assisted suicide is a good idea for terminally ill individuals. However, I predict that within the next 60 years (assuming that stem-cell research opens up a new chapter in medical cures for a host of conditions and illnesses) that suicide clinic would only be needed in small cases as a humane alternative.

But in your case, you are the same boat I am.

My only advice is that your lonliness an depression is temporary compaired to what things may happen later. Sitting in your room and dwelling on your sadness will not help (believe me, it never will) and really just distracts you from the inevitable task of climbing out of that hell hole.

Whether it be motivated by your passions and willingness to feel joy again, or you're just sick of those damn therapists.... you're going to have to make something happen. What that is is entriely your call, but happiness is something you choose. Brain neurons and endorphins do however need assistance in some cases and hence why therapy and medication can be beneficial (if you actually try that is).

This is all coming from someone who is still recovering from manic depression (borderline bi-polar you could say... though without sudden mood swings) that I've suffered from over 8 years.

 

[Mimssy]

A friend of mine in high school hung himself. I was going through a nasty abusive relationship things at the time. A year after that ended for me, my life was so beautiful that my past seemed like a bad distant dream. The emotional scars may always be there for me, but I'm glad to be alive. I wish my friend could have had the strength, or borrowed someone elses, to get through what he was going through. He would have come out being so much more happy and now he will never get that chance. All we can ever do is love one another and make each other feel like we matter. I could never be ok with someone who is depressed killing themself (a terminal illness is another matter entirely).

 

[A.A.K]

I dont care.
When people whine about wanting to kill themselves i tell them to shut the fuck up and just do it.

If you want to kill yourself then go for it - not my concern.


Before you say "what if it was a friend or family"

Ive told them the same in same situation.

A friend of mine whined about how terrible her life was nd how she wanted to kill herself....

after an argument, she decided to go off and try.
She failed, went to hospital, decided not to try again.

 

[DayDark]

It depends on why he'll commit suicide, from what I hear, he's making a very stupid decision based on crap. He is unhappy now, but that doesn't mean he will be unhappy later, I mean WTF, just think about this, he's going to sacrifice all his potential life, just because he's starting out rough? This is why people in general aren't allowed suicide, because it's a stupid decision based on crap feelings that you can get help with. And the only reason a suicidal person can't see that, is because they are blinded by their grief.

The real question is, if I'm about to make a bad decision that's gonna cost me everything, and gain me nothing. Do I want someone to stop me?

 

[OmegaXzors]

No one should be allowed to do this, period. If a majority of people believe that we should be allowed to force whatever harmful substance into our body (i.e., marijuana, cocaine, etc.) then sharp objects are included.